(September 7, 2021 at 8:44 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(September 7, 2021 at 8:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Be very, very careful. Backpedaling that fast could get your trousers caught in the bike chain.
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Well.. it's not anybody's fault if you misunderstand theism. If somebody says "this universe points to a God", then there are, if we were to give them the benefit of the doubt, hidden premises and presuppositions in their assertion. People don't spit syllogisms all the time when they explain their beliefs.
What @brewer is asking for is some empirically measurable way to discern God's existence, there is clearly something syntactically incoherent about his request, since God is usually defined as a disembodied mind.
Evidence is anything that supports a conclusion, so it need not be an empirical observation of God himself. You're just playing word games to avoid the consequences of on the one hand, holding that the universe is evidence of God (premise or evidence is an immaterial difference), while at the same time trying to claim that asking for evidence is a category error. Your god intervenes in the material universe, therefore there should be empirical observations that support the conclusion that a god intervened in the universe. If there isn't, then you have a problem.