RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
September 17, 2021 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2021 at 12:43 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(September 17, 2021 at 11:22 am)polymath257 Wrote:(September 16, 2021 at 10:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Klorophyll
“The universe either began or did not begin to exist,” is your dichotomy.
What do you mean by “begin to exist?”
Precisely. Usually that phrase means something along the lines of 'at one point, it did not exist, and at a later it did because of some process'.
That is manifestly NOT the case with the universe. Again, since time is part of the universe and causality depends on time, there was no *time* when the universe did not exist.
The problem with Kalam is that it employs colloquial, generic, non-specific language to try and describe complex, technical hypotheses physics and cosmology, mainly so that it can sneak its conclusion into the premises. It’s one of the most dishonest arguments for god that I know of.
Edit: It’s not even an argument for a god.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
