There isn't a metric for determining/inferring anything directly about God through someone else's fruit, as the Abrahamic God is a personal one. You can infer, however, that if a person claims to be a Christian and doesn't exhibit those fruits, that God isn't the source of t fruit. The New Testament particularly, uses fruit symbolically as the product of either a good or evil life, or an obedient or disobedient life.
If your vine, feeds off of polluted water (ie. evil) then you will exhibit the fruits of the flesh. If substantiate on God and vicariously though the teachings of Jesus, then you will exhibit the fruits of the spirit. Before you as the fruits of the flesh are just prior to the previous verses
With Paul speaking mostly to the gentiles I think a better understanding/translation of the last part would be "there is no law which produces the fruit of the Spirit." He was bringing the law to the lawless in this case and just justifying that there aren't any rules against good virtues.
I'm not sure what denomination you're talking about, you'd have to let me know so I could check out their beliefs. As far as Romans, there's something a majority of Christians believe in called indwelling. Through which we lay down our lives daily and "give it to God" (that's the phrase) so that he may live through us. Frequently tough I've seen that at the slightest resistance or worldly influence though, we pick our lives back up and try and claim the credit for God's works, or turned the selfless example they were given into selfish ideals and wants, etc.. Along with denominations there's a general sense of 2 sides of this coin, some Christians feel condemned under the law and fearful, some feel uber happy and victorious like they have no personal accountability/duty. In reality and my personal beliefs and teachings,like most things, the answer lies somewhere in the middle of the 2 extremes.
If your vine, feeds off of polluted water (ie. evil) then you will exhibit the fruits of the flesh. If substantiate on God and vicariously though the teachings of Jesus, then you will exhibit the fruits of the spirit. Before you as the fruits of the flesh are just prior to the previous verses
With Paul speaking mostly to the gentiles I think a better understanding/translation of the last part would be "there is no law which produces the fruit of the Spirit." He was bringing the law to the lawless in this case and just justifying that there aren't any rules against good virtues.
I'm not sure what denomination you're talking about, you'd have to let me know so I could check out their beliefs. As far as Romans, there's something a majority of Christians believe in called indwelling. Through which we lay down our lives daily and "give it to God" (that's the phrase) so that he may live through us. Frequently tough I've seen that at the slightest resistance or worldly influence though, we pick our lives back up and try and claim the credit for God's works, or turned the selfless example they were given into selfish ideals and wants, etc.. Along with denominations there's a general sense of 2 sides of this coin, some Christians feel condemned under the law and fearful, some feel uber happy and victorious like they have no personal accountability/duty. In reality and my personal beliefs and teachings,like most things, the answer lies somewhere in the middle of the 2 extremes.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
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