(October 6, 2021 at 3:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(October 6, 2021 at 11:33 am)Klorophyll Wrote: And I insist: Dawkins is a dumbass when it comes to the philosophy of religion. Many reviews of his books explicitly state that he doesn't understand traditional arguments for God's existence. Dawkins discusses, embarassingly, the BS question "who created God?" in some of his books.
So what? So lets say Dawkins does not argue against the philosophical arguments very well. There are many other atheist scholars that do argue against them, and provide very powerful rebuttals. Just because atheist A is week on one subject/argument, does not mean that atheism itself has been defeated on that subject.
And also, just because you think the "who created god?" is a BS question, does not mean it is. All we ever hear from theists in response to this question is, yet another unsupported assertion.
The parallels between something like the Hawking-Hartle proposal are startling. A universe, that isn't past eternal, yet was not created. Theists screech like banshees to be offered that as a solution to the universe, but they don't bat an eye when they offer up basically the same thing for their god.