(October 10, 2021 at 12:21 pm)ThatNomad Wrote: To answer your main question, no, pantheism is not the same thing as atheism, because pantheism can mean different things. There are some pantheists who are staunch atheist and who just experience a sense of reverential awe at the beauty and grandeur of the universe around them. There are some who believe that the universe is actually a manifestation of a divine being, evolving based on preset physical laws, and then there are some who use the term as it was used classically to believe that all gods exist and all religions are valid. So yeah... No, pantheism is not technically the same thing as atheism, which is nothing more than a rejection of the idea that a divine being exists.
Also, do you have any supporting evidence to back up your claim that the Tanakh itself posits that the world is only 6,000 years old. The furthest back I can find any mention is in the early 1000's AD, and it looks like the actual belief didn't really come to be popular until much later. The books that make up the Tanakh are from well more than 3,000 yrs older than this. Not to mention most Jewish authorities have rejected the young earth creation ideas as unfounded and illogical. Even those who reject science in most things have had to accept that the Earth is far older than 6,000 yrs old. It's mostly loony White Evangelicals who believe that. The same ones who believe Noah's Ark was real, and go to the idiotic museum where you can see miniature versions of dinosaurs on display as if they lived even remotely close to the same timeframe as humans.
“Also, do you have any supporting evidence to back up your claim that the Tanakh itself posits that the world is only 6,000 years old. The furthest back I can find any mention is in the early 1000's AD”
==If the tanakh itself makes that claim? Well, where else does the 6000 y old number come from? Does it come from the history books of the Romans?
The tanakh is the history, the religious, the political, the scientific (the basic knowledge about nature from back then) book. The 6000 numbers comes from a rough calculation of all the begats.
“Not to mention most Jewish authorities have rejected the young earth creation ideas as unfounded and illogical.”
==Which jewish authorities are you talking about? And which jewish authorities accept a 6000 y old universe?
Wikipedia says:
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There is no scholarly consensus as to when the Hebrew Bible canon was fixed: some scholars argue that it was fixed by the Hasmonean dynasty,[18] while others argue it was not fixed until the second century CE or even later.[19]
According to Louis Ginzberg's Legends of the Jews, the twenty-four book canon of the Hebrew Bible was fixed by Ezra and the scribes in the Second Temple period.[20]
According to the Talmud, much of the Tanakh was compiled by the men of the Great Assembly (Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah), a task completed in 450 BCE, and it has remained unchanged ever since.[21]
The 24-book canon is mentioned in the Midrash Koheleth 12:12: Whoever brings together in his house more than twenty four books brings confusion.[22]
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I do remember that somewhere it was estimated that the first parts of the tanakh were written around 1500 BCE, so yes, it comes to about 3500 y old.
“Even those who reject science in most things have had to accept that the Earth is far older than 6,000 yrs old. “
==Who?
“It's mostly loony White Evangelicals who believe that. The same ones who believe Noah's Ark was real, and go to the idiotic museum where you can see miniature versions of dinosaurs on display as if they lived even remotely close to the same timeframe as humans.”
==You are talking about humans from the 20th and 21th century. In these centuries, science (multiple lines of evidence) influences religion and it becomes easy to call them loony. As a 20 th and 21 th century human, you can point to those research papers easily.
What are you going to do as a human from the 18 th century?
