RE: Why does science always upstage God?
October 12, 2021 at 5:42 am
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2021 at 5:54 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I think this is probably why ayost believes atheism has a worldview like flubber. Not realizing that atheists disagree on pretty much everything but whether or not they believe in gods - and essentially turning us all into one monolithic person - he'll find himself arguing with realists, subjectivists, relativists, and nihilists in mere reality. Must be frustrating..but then..there's an easy fix to that. Correcting that initial mistake. Perhaps realizing, even, that his moral worldview and some specific atheists moral worldview (just as one example) might not actually be different at all.
It's pretty clear that he wants his god to get morality right. For morality to be a thing that can be gotten right. A set of true facts about some act x, and not some society y, or person y. OTOH, he feels compelled to tell other people who believe exactly this that their worldview is bankrupt..because it must be...they're atheists! Spend post after post insisting that morality is subjective confronted with a realist..only to then argue (with you) that it isn't.
Interestingly enough, particularly with respect to cultural relativism - how society informs our moral thinking - it may be that some people who argue against moral realism, because there's no god..are actually being informed by their society and agreeing with their society, their very god believing society. A society that might have told them that, without a god, there can be no moral realism, for example.
It's pretty clear that he wants his god to get morality right. For morality to be a thing that can be gotten right. A set of true facts about some act x, and not some society y, or person y. OTOH, he feels compelled to tell other people who believe exactly this that their worldview is bankrupt..because it must be...they're atheists! Spend post after post insisting that morality is subjective confronted with a realist..only to then argue (with you) that it isn't.
Interestingly enough, particularly with respect to cultural relativism - how society informs our moral thinking - it may be that some people who argue against moral realism, because there's no god..are actually being informed by their society and agreeing with their society, their very god believing society. A society that might have told them that, without a god, there can be no moral realism, for example.
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