(October 14, 2021 at 12:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:Quote:So, the short version is that:3 would be inaccurate. The pantheist god isn't a person or person like. It's everything or everything-like. It intervenes as the others do not as a person of it's own volition but because there are many intervening agents in "everything".
1. the jewish god is a person.
2. the deist god is a person.
3. the pantheist god is a person.
4. the polytheist god are a persons.
All bad faith arguments from faithless people, imo. I'm assuming you're referring to abrahamics here..but, just as one example, if anyone calling themselves a christian tells you that god is something other than christ who suffered and died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected - then you're not talking to a christian. If they tell you god is not personal, or does not intervene, they're not christian. Amusingly, and as the fundies never get tired of telling anyone who will listen, most christians today..aren't. There's some nut who has a scale named after him that purports to determine whether or not some one has "a biblical faith" - and by their reckoning, less than 6% of people with children under 18 qualify - even though far more than 6% identify as such. That doesn't bode well for christianity, but it's a small bit of hope for the rest of humanity.
The song and dance about communist gods is in no way christian (christ was a communist, at least by his description) - it's political christianity - which was the engineer of the demise of religious christianity in the us. They basically fell on their own swords for fear of soviets under every bed, in every closet...and look at em now - wedded to a russian asset and dreams of a totalitarian state.
They never really believed in anything other than power, specifically their own, and how to maintain it.
“3 would be inaccurate. The pantheist god isn't a person or person like. It's everything or everything-like. It intervenes as the others do not as a person of it's own volition but because there are many intervening agents in "everything".”
==Since Seax wrote:
“God would not create a universe with laws opposed to His Will.”
So this tells me that god, which is our universe, is a person.
“All bad faith arguments from faithless people, imo. I'm assuming you're referring to abrahamics here”
==Yes, I talk to a lot of people and since it is almost always in english, I assume that they are in the USA and christian.
I often do ask them and some of the time they answer. It’s often USA + christian.
There is a certain number, maybe I have encountered 30 people, who claim that they don’t have a religion and that they follow Jesus and they have a relationship.
Yes, I have encountered a bunch of times cases where some christian says the other christian is not christian.
For example, they don’t consider mormons as christians. To be honest, mormons are barely christian. (They have this notion that the jewish god was just a human and by following the rules of his god, that he got his diploma and license to be a god. This god created Earth and populated it. They believe that they will become gods in the afterlife.
This stuff is discussed at the exmormon website. Some were saying that today’s mormonism is not recognizable. A lot of this stuff is swepted under the rug.
“There's some nut who has a scale named after him that purports to determine whether or not some one has "a biblical faith" - and by their reckoning, less than 6% of people with children under 18 qualify - even though far more than 6% identify as such. That doesn't bode well for christianity, but it's a small bit of hope for the rest of humanity.”
==Yes, the different christian sects compete with each other, sometimes with violence.
It’s the same with islam. For example, ISIS, al-nusra, taliban.
“The song and dance about communist gods is in no way christian (christ was a communist, at least by his description) - it's political christianity - which was the engineer of the demise of religious christianity in the us. They basically fell on their own swords for fear of soviets under every bed, in every closet...and look at em now - wedded to a russian asset and dreams of a totalitarian state.”
==What do you mean?
