(October 14, 2021 at 11:46 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That just tells you that seax believed in a personal god, not that pantheism proposes one, or that the universe is a person.
An effect of secularization on the religious, yeah. "Religious" is perceived to be a pejorative term, even by them, and that line is designed to evade whatever portion of contemporary society that reflexively balks at religion. Some of them are just idiots and/or liars, too, ofc.
You're talking about bickering, I'm referencing classification. Mormons are christian because they believe in the crucifixion, resurrection, and divinity of christ. They're theists because they believe in a personal and intervening god. They may, arguably, be polytheists because they believe that there could be more than one god, that they might become gods themselves. All christians are, by definition, theists, and anyone who rejects theism cannot be accurately classified as christian. Sometimes these people who reject the divinity of christ are called cultural christians, more informally, jesusists. To denote that they do not believe in a theistic god, do not believe in christ, but do hold some value system derived from judeochristian mythology.
That's true, but what his scale and polling is designed to show is that children are leaving the faith, and not teaching it to their children. That his particular brand of christianity is perched on a demographic cliff (if not already laying dead in the ravine below).
hat through a series of movements and circumstances too long and numerous to really explore in this format, going back to the cold war, american christianity became (or was captured by) an aggressive far right wing movement with political power at it's core, all but discarding anything genuinely christian or christlike in the process. Today, they're the maga mob. Dominionists. Abortion, homosexuality, public education. Expert infantry badge jesus, trickle down jesus. A christianity with a criminal, thrice married adulterer and publicly shitty person at it's head, which promises to do everything it can to overthrow american democracy in their lifetimes. Like so many before them, they're tired of waiting for the godmans return. They're going to build gods kingdom on earth, themselves, here. Like I said. Faithless.
“That just tells you that seax believed in a personal god, not that pantheism proposes one, or that the universe is a person.”
==Well, then, I’m not sure then.
Let’s make a list of possibilities.
1. A god that has a brain, that thinks, maybe he has feelings, that is not frozen and time passes forward for him.
2. #1 and also the god has other components that are non brains, sort of how a human has a brain but also a few arms and a few legs. Perhaps the laws of physics also a component of the pantheist god.
3. God is the universe which is a brainless entity.
Were you talking about #2?
If a pantheist tells me that their god is #3, then this looks like renaming. They are removing the sticker that says apple from the apple and they are sticking the sticker that says banana on it.
Yes, in that sense, you can classify a mormon as a christian. It all comes down to what you want a word to mean.
Dictionaries are alright but sometimes, they do not match what a person means.
For example, one christian told me that science is my god.
I asked him what does he mean by the word god.
He said that I worship science.
I asked what does worship mean to him.
He said that have a lot of respect for something and to love it.
I said, I agree, do respect and love science and now, I understand his language.
However, according to his definition, I have a lot of gods. My parents are gods. My friends are gods.
Also, why isn’t science a god for him? Is god a god for himself? Does the god respect himself and love himself?
My point is that we have to extract the maximum amount of information from the theist, we need to understand their lingo.
“Sometimes these people who reject the divinity of christ are called cultural christians, more informally, jesusists. To denote that they do not believe in a theistic god, do not believe in christ, but do hold some value system derived from judeochristian mythology.”
==They are using a filter. A filter blocks certain things and lets other things pass through.
“That's true, but what his scale and polling is designed to show is that children are leaving the faith, and not teaching it to their children. That his particular brand of christianity is perched on a demographic cliff (if not already laying dead in the ravine below).”
==Is the person who created the scale+poll a christian? Was his objective to suggest that his version of christianity is the standard and other christians need to meet his standard?
I am interested in his scale. Do you have it in your files?
“That through a series of movements and circumstances too long and numerous to really explore in this format, going back to the cold war, american christianity became (or was captured by) an aggressive far right wing movement with political power at it's core, all but discarding anything genuinely christian or christlike in the process. Today, they're the maga mob. Dominionists. Abortion, homosexuality, public education. Expert infantry badge jesus, trickle down jesus. A christianity with a criminal, thrice married adulterer and publicly shitty person at it's head, which promises to do everything it can to overthrow american democracy in their lifetimes. Like so many before them, they're tired of waiting for the godmans return. They're going to build gods kingdom on earth, themselves, here. Like I said. Faithless.”
==I have studied some of the history of the USA to try to figure out what is going on down there. Definitely, Communist Russia has shaped the USA quite a bit. One important point is the launch of Sputnik, which worried the USA government, so they gave importance to science, so they reinserted Evolution theory in biology textbooks.
It’s pretty funny but Tennessee had made it illegal to teach Evolution theory. There is the Scopes Monkey trial of 1925 which led to all publishers removing Evolution from biology textbooks. So, for 35 y, kids didn’t learn about Evolution theory.
Donald Trump? Well, it is normal for united statians to divorce and remarry a few times. I just didn’t realize he was a narcissist, misogynist habitual liar.
Also, I guess you are talking about evangelists protestianism and teleevangelists protestianism. There seems to be a lot of them in the USA. I guess the number is 46%.
