(March 14, 2021 at 11:45 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Allo all,
I call myself an atheism since it is clear that certain gods do not exist, most notably the jewish god (The tanakh claims that this universe/Earth is 6000 y old, that the Earth is fabricated before the Sun, that the Earth is fabricated on day 1, etc.
The various domains of science say no and I go with the science.)
I also call myself an ignotist. The word god has no particular meaning. No sample has been observed. The word god means many things to many people.
Back to pantheism:
Some people call it Spinoza’s god. Based on what I read, it looks like they are labeling the “sum total of the universe” as the god.
So, they are calling the universe a god?
It look like they accept that the universe is a brainless thing, just like me.
So, what is the difference between a pantheist and me?
I do recall that Seax wrote that
“the universe having fundamental purpose and meaning”
but how can a brainless entity have purpose and meaning just out of the blue?
A brain is required to build something, for example a watch, a VHS player, a telegraph, a walkie-talkie, a sheet of glass, indium foil, a diode made of lead sulfide.
Even if the device is simple, such as a sheet of glass, the brain has a use for it in its everyday life.
Albert Einstein has said that he believes in Spinoza’s god but I think back then, it was harder to come out of the closet.
At least he was clear enough when he said that he doesn’t accept the anthropomorphic god that is the jewish god.
(I only mention the above since it comes up often in conversations.)
--Ferrocyanide
Any "ism" regardless of position is just human bullshit excuse for labels and tribalism.
"Human" is the only correct label for our species. All 7 billion of us ride the same molten core rock. And the sun and universe does not give a fig about our species.
I only hold the "position" of "atheist" because I don't see any evidence that their is a super cognition that started all this.