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Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 15, 2021 at 9:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote: If you want to define God in a certain way and then not believe in what you've imagined, that's your right.

If you think that God could contradict the laws of logic, that's OK with me.

This doesn't mean that Christian theology agrees with you.
I haven’t changed the definition of the jewish god. You said “ears”

This is what you wrote:
When the Bible says "God hears" something, this doesn't mean that he has ears and hears the sounds in the same way a person does. Naive people may read it that way, but not educated people.

In other words, you have evidence that right now, the jewish god doesn’t have ears and doesn’t hear a person like a human does.
But how could you possibly know that?
THIS IS MY QUESTION TO YOU. Do you have evidence?
My answer is, I do not have evidence.

We are talking about an omnipotent shape shifter.
Perhaps he has generated a human ear right now and is listening like a human right now. Perhaps he has an avatar and he/she/cat/elephant is walking around on planet Earth, right now.
How can I tell a believer that god does not have human ears right now? How can you tell a believer ...

“If you think that God could contradict the laws of logic, that's OK with me.”

==Read again what I wrote.
I think you misunderstood that one.

“This doesn't mean that Christian theology agrees with you.“

==There is no singular christian theology. There are a whole lot of people and christianity means many things to many people.
Yes, I understand that you believe strongly that your version is the correct one but the other guys feel the same way.
The only way to settle the matter is with evidence.

Do you know how scientists settle cases of dispute? They verify each others research, if possible, they redo the same experiment. Sometimes, it takes a long while but they finally come to a conclusion. In some cases, their discovery leads to an invention that we use in our every day lives.

In the case of christianity, what can be done? It is very limited. You can’t do any research other than reading the Bible that was written a long time ago and perhaps read some non canonical work, which again, written a long time ago.
But such writings, were they verified by experts, by peers?

Religion is a bit like history. Mostly, it can’t be verified. The conversations that 2 people had can’t be verified and there aren’t population statistics and birth records for the population.
What can be done is that various science domains can participate to verify history:
Archaeology: check what ancient humans have left, their tools, their cloths, buildings, bones, tatoos.
Language: writing style.
Physics: nuclear physics; radiometric dating
Physics: material physics: I forgot the name but it is for checking if a certain mineral was heat treated.
Physics/Chemistry: material physics: metallurgy. Verify the chemical makeup of an alloy.
Chemistry/Biology: effect of diet on bones. Effect of heat on bones. Effect of diseases on bones.

For religion, none of the supernatural and magical claims can be verified.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Duty - March 14, 2021 at 12:58 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Seax - March 19, 2021 at 12:53 am
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Ferrocyanide - October 15, 2021 at 10:59 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 18, 2021 at 3:38 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 19, 2021 at 5:18 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 20, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 21, 2021 at 7:54 am
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 22, 2021 at 2:37 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 23, 2021 at 1:29 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 22, 2021 at 8:43 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Angrboda - November 23, 2021 at 10:04 am

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