That Gay Thread

[LadyForCamus]

It wouldn’t be a “conversation” with @Huggy Bear if it didn’t inevitably devolve into aimless semantic debate leading to nowhere.

Well..I get insistence.  There are things that matter so much to me, for example... that being wrong about some fact won't alter that fact.  At that point, though, it would seem to serve the purpose that a person can accept being wrong about a thing and still maintain that sense of importance regarding another thing.

Just to use a concrete example.....  Dave chappelles trans friend story is pretty great.  The guy is sitting on a mark twain award, we can give him credit as a satirist, as a humorist.  My favorite part is, on a surface reading, perhaps the most hateful.  The line "boundaries bitch, I'm transphobic" is brilliant.  Its uncomfortable in the same way that tom sawyer or the war prayer would have been to audiences of their own time.  Its probably true that, beset on all sides by opposition...some friendly fire comes out of the trans camp.  Nothing that huggy so insistently got wrong needs be right for that to be true.  That one person can end a rough story with the comment "I knew your father, and he was a hell of a woman"...or casually mention that it takes one human person to recognize another human persons experience is bubbling right there at the surface of outrage.  Are there times when the lgbtq community and other communities which might otherwise be aligned and have similar experiences are at cross purpose?  Probably.  Even if that isn't down to klansmen bankrolling the movement.

Sure, and I’m not claiming or insisting otherwise. I like Chappell, and I think he makes several good points. My only objection is his continuous insistence on denying trans identities. That’s it. But Huggy saw that objection as an opportunity to cry wolf about another non-related issue that he ended up being flat wrong about. I think there’s a lot of discussion to be had about racial conflict and real pain amongst and within the LGBTQ community. It just doesn’t seem like Huggy wants to talk about any of it. He just wants to…keep not liking trans people, because Reasons.