Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?

[Alan V]

Alan, you may have absorbed some non seqs that nuts insist on.

A god could lack free will and it would still be a god, just as….if we lacked free will, we’d still be people, still be all that we are.  Theistic gods are categorized as such because they’re like us, not in some different class.  If the whole universe could credibly be called personal and intervening, a pantheistic god would exist.  Pantheism would be true.  No extra levels or different stuff required.

It can’t be, and isn’t.  It’s not because gods have to be super duper what’s its (they don’t, and most were never claimed to be).  It’s because the central claim of pantheism appears to be wildly wrong.

- and yes, Spinoza probably was an atheist who used the idea for cover.

I think I have always stated my positions as my personal opinions on the matters in question.  They are all accurate, that being the case.  You simply disagree.  

I do not agree that if we humans lacked free will, we'd "still be all that we are."  Free will is top-down causation, which is essential to my emergent materialist perspective on both life and consciousness.  Emergentism contends there exists both bottom-up and top-down causation in certain kinds of material configurations.

So I am not a reductionistic determinist, like many other atheists seem to be.