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(November 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:
(November 18, 2011 at 5:20 am)tackattack Wrote: @AtheistAaron- My frustration usually shuts down the show when I hear, "...our 5 senses..." . The video had some good points and I bet some Christians do fear rejection from God or have no solid foundation for their belief so they do react that way. I was merely pointing out that it's a generalization and just as easily reversed for atheists that exhibit those reactions. Albeit, even factoring in numbers, I would guess that atheists have a far smaller potion of anti theists than Christians that don't act Christian. It would be interesting to see the numbers on polls like that though
You said the video generalizes and can easily be flipped around. In fact, I think it makes more sense the way you put it: that atheists get frustrated because they feel rejected by God. However, I disagree with the premise that either side's frustration comes from rejection. No, atheists don't feel rejected by God. But I don't think the video makes any sense either. Religious people get frustrated because they take any criticisms of their belief as a personal attack (which they aren't) not because of a feeling of rejection. The video overcomplicates the issue.
Perhaps it could have been over complicating the issues. Often enough from a theist perspective an attack on our beliefs starts with "those stupid/irrational/ignorant/deluded/crazy Christians..." So hopefully you can see where it would be taken as a personal attack. I also agree that by definition an atheist has no belief in god(s) therefore there is no sense of rejection. Some people might arrive at that belief though, through feelings of rejection from religious society, or for self preservation instances, or rejection irrational dogma or illogical conclusions as well.
(November 18, 2011 at 3:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
No, it starts with judeo-christianity being a fundamentally bigoted and ethnocentric religion. A fanciful tale of a vengeful god that missed his ethics course. Christian people, like all people, run the full spectrum of behaviour. Saints to sinners. It's not you, it's your religion, lol. Injustice would be one word. Pervasive another. I could think of plenty of words. In fact the only way one can escape these little wonderings is by reference to his "mysterious ways". See, as an outsider I'm on the fence about your god. The reformed folks have a strong argument for a douchebag god. He's not worthy of worship real or made up. On the other hand, there are the fluffy types who propose a sort of bumbling, mildly inept god. It's human, helps you to feel close, but again, not worth worship. Then, as you've mentioned, there are these things the religious do, and say.....
It's a giant shit sandwich, can you blame me for not wanting a bite?
I prefer to base my beliefs on experience, observation and rational thought, not whether I agree with someone else or like what they're peddling. Although for things outside of my controllable reality, logically sound is at least a good start It is a bit of a cluster, and I don't blame anyone for automatically rejecting the trappings.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
It is a bit of a cluster, and I don't blame anyone for automatically rejecting the trappings.