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Trump is going to be reelected....
RE: Trump is going to be reelected....
(January 17, 2022 at 1:08 pm)tackattack Wrote: I'm not catching up on 19 pages of troll baiting. To the OP,

What do you think it would take for Americans to stop choosing the lesser of 2 evils?
What do you think it would take for Americans do really decide what they want politically?

Exactly how much anarchy is the recipe for change without making the system collapse?

I think there's already a good solution to the first two questions, ranked voting.  Some states are doing this and I believe it is working well.  You get three votes, so you vote for your number 1, 2, and 3 person you would like to see.  No more "all in" votes, so the most outrageous candidate doesn't have as much of an advantage.

(January 17, 2022 at 1:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The principle of majority rule, as envisioned by the Founders (well, at least my understanding of the Founders), is that a significant minority of the population can be truly nutty, and the hope is that "the majority" will at least keep the bus on the road.  As for #2, people, I think, largely want the status quo, but at the same time they are unhappy with it, and they want "change" but really do not know what type of "change" that they want, and they are both fearful and uncertain as to what that "change" will be like for them.  Uncertainty over #2 leads people to embrace individuals in #1 who truly speak to them, calming their fears with respect to their discontentment over the status quo while promising them "change" that will benefit their lives.

In summary, politics is a lot like consumer advertising -- people just simply like and are okay with being lied to, say, buying items that are are on sale, but in fact, are never not "on sale".  Trump is unique, politically, in that he is a pawn of the far right but that he has the charisma and marketing skills to win in the Electoral College, by convincing people that policies that do not benefit them, in fact, do benefit them:

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Regarding the majority rule idea, the founding fathers were also keenly wary of "the mob", which is to say they wanted enough checks and balances such that even a politically motivated majority couldn't just take over and vote in whatever they wanted.  Mob movements in Europe struck certain fears in them to warrant this.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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