RE: Ignosticism, Theism, or Gnostic Atheism
January 24, 2022 at 10:30 am
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2022 at 10:33 am by polymath257.)
(January 24, 2022 at 1:01 am)GrandizerII Wrote: Ignosticism (per Wikipedia):
Quote:Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word "God" has no coherent and unambiguous definitionUltimately, it's all very relative. There are multiple various definitions for the term "God", and what may be "God" to some people is not much of "God" to others. But this means there is a problem here with the standard definitions of the word "atheism". For pantheists, for example, God is basically the universe itself and nothing more (that's my understanding at least). Atheists accept the existence of the universe, does this mean they are not atheists per pantheism? Or is it that pantheism is not really considered theism? Maybe atheism isn't just a lack of belief in God, but also a lack of conceptualizing anything that exists as God?
If you define God to be the universe, then I believe in the existence of what you call God. I do, then, question whether you are abusing the language in calling the universe God.
So, in a sense, your last sentence is closest to the truth: anything that exists does not have the properties common language ascribes to God.
(January 24, 2022 at 1:56 am)Belacqua Wrote:(January 23, 2022 at 10:37 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: No we don't. Not unless we are making truth-statements about things that do (or do not) exist. If I don't claim knowledge of something, I don't have to define it. That onus hangs on those who claim knowledge.
In a sense the theologians, a long time ago, did an end run around any attempt we might make at a definition.
You've no doubt heard of apophatic or negative theology, which simply states that God is so far beyond human understanding that any definition we attempted would be overly limited. Undefinable by definition, so to speak.
That seems to be more an embracing of ignosticism by theists as anything else.
For myself, I tend to go back and forth between ignosticism and apatheism.