(April 2, 2022 at 10:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He talks to god the father, not himself. IIRC, there are alot of verses in matthew where it might appear that jesus is refering to himself in the third person as well - but it's actually narrative foreshadowing. The son of man will do this, the son of man will do that. He predicts his death and resurrection this way. So that much at least is common in the narrative overall. Ironically, any part of John where jesus is still referring to god as a distinct entity from himself is without a doubt more true to the original narrative that the author of john revised.
Right it’s just the prayer goes from sounding like a prayer to sounding like he’s preaching a sermon to God. Hence the awkwardness. Compare this to the Gethsemane prayer in Mark where Jesus is greatly distressed and begs the Father to take the cup of suffering from him… That makes much more sense in the context of Gethsemane to me.
