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Evolution cannot account for morality
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
(May 28, 2022 at 1:08 pm)brewer Wrote:
(May 28, 2022 at 9:34 am)chiknsld Wrote: Ah, I see, the whole nurture part of life. Yes I think you are right I look at all behavior as pretty much a direct result of genetics. I also find it hard to believe that any infinite amount of "group socializing" can somehow be passed on to offspring. Even if you can pass on some characteristics such as temperament, I would see a big difference between that and empathy. Most psychopaths did not have psychopathic parents (they might have had certain genetic predispositions to psychopathy however). 

I guess if you raised Hitler in a different environment he could have been a normal person, but then again he could have had some psychological issues (something wrong with his brain). But I am pretty sure if Hitler had children that wouldn't mean that they would be evil as well. I do not think being "good" or "bad", or having empathy, is a trait that is passed on to children (like having green eyes).

What makes more sense is that empathy is already part of life itself and that as organisms become more intelligent, for some reason this results in a higher emanation of that morality which is already inherent to life. In other words, I see morality as a direct indication or corollary of intelligence (rather than something like IQ).

Do you think it's possible that there could exist a super advanced species that is several orders of magnitude more intelligent than humans, which do not care about morality? It feels as though life has a willingness towards morality, perhaps from its own understanding that there is value in survival. But you would have to wonder how such a subjective "value" could be derived from billions of years of matter existing.

Yeah, you still don't get it. Too much trying to shoe horn god into the discussion.

Bold: Did you just state that organisms evolve, or are you saying that god made them more evolved?

Life does not require morality, look at plants, bacteria, insects, reptiles,............... You don't seem to grasp the big picture. Social animals develop/make social morals. Of course there will be aberrant individuals, there are in all social groups. But I challenge you to prove that the aberrant individuals/groups  are completely genetic and not environmental.

If you don't think so then tell me why there are/were head hunter tribes, human sacrifice tribes?
Also, does this person even know about Epigenetics?
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Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 27, 2022 at 11:47 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 27, 2022 at 11:50 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 12:42 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Objectivist - December 30, 2022 at 11:26 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 8:59 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 28, 2022 at 1:18 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 28, 2022 at 1:29 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 28, 2022 at 1:59 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 28, 2022 at 9:42 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Belacqua - May 28, 2022 at 10:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 28, 2022 at 10:26 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 7:22 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 9:03 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 1:08 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by The Architect Of Fate - May 28, 2022 at 1:12 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 1:18 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 1:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 5:16 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:10 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:16 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:28 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 29, 2022 at 1:05 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 29, 2022 at 1:24 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 1:33 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 1:53 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 28, 2022 at 9:33 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 10:33 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 3:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 9:58 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 28, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 30, 2022 at 8:21 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 6:48 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:49 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:08 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 29, 2022 at 8:26 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 7:56 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 8:31 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:26 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 10:07 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:13 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 11:30 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:39 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 29, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 29, 2022 at 11:25 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 29, 2022 at 11:28 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:52 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 30, 2022 at 8:05 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 29, 2022 at 10:15 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:58 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 7:26 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - May 30, 2022 at 8:20 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 29, 2022 at 9:03 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Belacqua - May 29, 2022 at 10:20 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 30, 2022 at 10:47 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 31, 2022 at 8:11 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 8:42 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 31, 2022 at 9:02 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:14 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 31, 2022 at 9:30 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:53 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 30, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - June 1, 2022 at 9:03 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 1, 2022 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 2, 2022 at 8:11 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 3, 2022 at 10:43 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 3, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 3, 2022 at 11:23 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 4, 2022 at 10:20 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - June 6, 2022 at 7:50 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 7, 2022 at 10:37 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 8:52 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:11 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:24 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:25 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - June 8, 2022 at 1:14 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 7:52 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GUBU - June 8, 2022 at 1:50 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Veni - July 4, 2022 at 10:54 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by LinuxGal - December 21, 2022 at 9:51 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GaugeBoson - December 25, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Objectivist - December 30, 2022 at 11:14 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by sdelsolray - January 1, 2023 at 10:06 pm

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