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Evolution cannot account for morality
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
(June 1, 2022 at 12:17 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(June 1, 2022 at 9:03 am)Nomad Wrote: I would also contend that human technological development is at least an evolution adjacent process.  We have externalised our responses to enviornmental pressures to such a great extent as a species that our evolution can no longer be described as fully biological.

IMHO, self-awareness is the mental facility to create thought model of self as an entity that facilitates simulation of own action and more sophisticated prediction of their consequence in abstraction, in essence the capacity to game out own behavior.

technology at its most basic level is the extension of this modeling capability that supported self-awareness to also cover objects with which the self interacts. 

morality at its most basic level is the recognition the extension of our self-modeling capability to cover others people and animals with whom we interact.

the concept of soul seems to me to the manifestation of the fact that our mental model of ourselves is not of such a high level of fidelity that it would always anticipate the model that supports self-awareness as coming to an end when the physical being that is the subject of the model comes to end.

basically, we tend to believe we have souls because our self awareness is not sufficiently fully self aware.

(Bold mine)

It’s fairly well established that plants exhibit minimal self awareness. Does this mean petunias believe they have souls (since it’s pretty certain that their self awareness is even less fully self aware than our own)?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 27, 2022 at 11:47 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 27, 2022 at 11:50 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 12:42 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Objectivist - December 30, 2022 at 11:26 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 8:59 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 28, 2022 at 1:18 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 28, 2022 at 1:29 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 28, 2022 at 1:59 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Belacqua - May 28, 2022 at 10:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 7:22 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 9:03 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 1:08 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 1:18 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 1:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 5:16 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 6:28 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:10 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:16 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 7:28 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 29, 2022 at 1:05 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Astreja - May 29, 2022 at 1:24 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 1:33 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 1:53 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 28, 2022 at 7:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 10:33 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 3:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 28, 2022 at 9:58 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 28, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 28, 2022 at 6:48 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:49 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 28, 2022 at 11:08 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 7:56 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 8:31 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:26 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 10:07 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:13 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 11:30 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 11:39 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 29, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 29, 2022 at 11:25 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Angrboda - May 29, 2022 at 11:28 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:52 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ranjr - May 29, 2022 at 10:15 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 29, 2022 at 10:58 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 29, 2022 at 7:26 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 29, 2022 at 9:03 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Jehanne - May 29, 2022 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Belacqua - May 29, 2022 at 10:20 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 30, 2022 at 10:47 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - May 31, 2022 at 8:11 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 8:42 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 31, 2022 at 9:02 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:14 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Brian37 - May 31, 2022 at 9:30 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:53 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - May 30, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Ahriman - May 31, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 1, 2022 at 1:15 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 1, 2022 at 7:01 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 2, 2022 at 8:11 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 3, 2022 at 10:43 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 3, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 3, 2022 at 11:23 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 4, 2022 at 10:20 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Aegon - June 7, 2022 at 10:37 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 8:52 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:11 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:24 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by chiknsld - June 6, 2022 at 11:25 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by brewer - June 7, 2022 at 7:52 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Veni - July 4, 2022 at 10:54 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by LinuxGal - December 21, 2022 at 9:51 am
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by GaugeBoson - December 25, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by Objectivist - December 30, 2022 at 11:14 pm
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality - by sdelsolray - January 1, 2023 at 10:06 pm

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