(June 7, 2022 at 9:24 am)chiknsld Wrote: And you know what, I would reckon as well that an advanced species would find moral codes to be trivial.
So if the more intelligent a species becomes this means that morality will always be inevitable.
Thus, we may say that life leads to morality. You people believe in evolution therefore life leads to evolution.
So, as I was saying earlier in the thread, the universe will inevitably lead to live (eventually), life will inevitably lead to morality. Life will lead to evolution.
Thus, we may say that whenever there is a universe, there will be life, morality, and evolution.
Let us presume that the universe was always here, therefore the universe exists so that life could exist and life exists out of some sort of moral impetus. This leaves one final mystery, where does evolution come from?
Evolution must have been there from the very beginning since it is already guaranteed from the outset of the universe being in existence. Thus, evolution is some sort of eternal power.
There is deep objectionability in every statement there.
1. There is no such thing as more advanced species, evolutionarily speaking. There is only more derived species. A more derived species need not be more complex. It only needs to be more different from some reference ancester. This is a fundamental concept. Advanced is subjective and without intrinsic meaning. Derived is objective and measurable.
2. No, intelligence does not make morality inevitable. In fact I can easily postulate that morality is only of survival benefit to social organisms of limited intelligence and processing power.
3. Therefore life does not lead to morality. Morality is a superficial attribute of the thinnest top layer of scum floating on the deep ocean of life on earth. Get rid of all the organism with any conceivable capacity for morality and the primary cycle of life on earth would not be significantly different.
4. Life does not lead to evolution. Evolution is a process that acts upon life.
5. It is by no means clear that universe will inevitably lead to life.
6. “Thus, we may say that whenever there is a universe, there will be life, morality, and evolution”. No, we don’t know where ever there is universe there will be life. To the best of our understanding about how the fundamental constant that governs all processes in the universe came to be, the chance that life as we know it being theoretically capable of arising in any arbitrary universe where these constants on different from ours is very low. And we know of no reason why these constants can’t be different in another universe. If there is life as we know it, then there will be evolution, but no, there will not necessarily be morality. Unless you think there must be morality amongst bacteria.
7. Universe does not exist so life could exist. Universe exists. Life can exist if conditions in the universe is right. And no life does not exist out of some moral impetus. The shallow concept of moral impetus arises only in th e unlikely event of some particular derived life happen to arise out of contingent circumstances of its own evolution.
Your last “sentence’ has no more meaning than any random ordering of Latin letters.