RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
July 20, 2022 at 6:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 20, 2022 at 6:24 pm by R00tKiT.)
(July 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You don't know much about our history, or even the present reality.
Have fun gaslighting people. I don't need to read anything about your exciting history of exterminating native americans, to know that the U.S. is a religious country that endorses freedom of speech. Many famous atheists spent their entire careers in the U.S. and were never persecuted once..?
Yes, I know there are many forms of discrimination against atheists in the U.S., like not being eligible to hold office, but this is not state-level persecution.
(July 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Low? Not at all, but it hardly matters, as whatever satisfies me obviously does not satisfy you in the same way even if my standards were much higher (which, btw, they certainly are).
Yeah, sure, we have differences, I get that. That's why it's good to support your claims with objective arguments, with uncontroversial premises.
(July 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: In any case, the non seq is that if a benevolent god existed, then there must be an afterlife.
Then it's time for you to open any introductory book on the philosophy of religion, to understand why this conditional statement is true.
![[Image: theo.png]](https://i.ibb.co/BGjNdQh/theo.png)
Source: W.L. Rowe (an atheist) - Philosophy of Religion, an Introduction.
(July 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: All sort of religious claims might be true or wished to be true, but theism, is not a religion.... it's a belief in a personal and intervening god characteristic of some religions.
Sure, I believe in some sort of afterlife - but none that you would recognize as an afterlife. I have many things in common with many theists. I also have a penis. And? Wrap your head around this so we can start some conversation, any conversation, in a moment of unfiltered understanding and agreement. I have never believed in gods. That's just a fact, a true statement of what is and what has been - about me. You can parse it any way you want, that I'm wrong about it or whatever - it's still a fact about me...and..despite whatever else you may believe or how wrong you think it is, there's no reason to assume that it wasn't a fact, likewise, for many many people through all these long years and generations. Isn't there something that alot of your own peers might believe in that never really took root in you?
You're an atheist that has a penis, what an informative presentation of your beliefs and convictions. So, as a theist that has a penis, I kindly ask you to explain why you believe in this afterlife. You can see that I am really trying to find a common ground so that we can finally start a real conversation.