The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?

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Fine. You are absolutely correct in saying that calling them "it" is not dehumanizing. In the very strict sense of the definition you are correct.
So then, I ask that those who call murderers "it" to clarify the reason WHY they call them "it" in the first place. What is your intention of calling murderers and rapists "it" in the first place.

I'm not the person you want to ask.

If you want me to understand, and NOT misunderstand you..then please clarify why Rapists and murderers are "its". I am an open minded person. Here is your chance to correct and change my point of view.

Because all people are its.

well, not really. That isnt propaganda that I was trying to spout. I was merely trying to give examples. If you considered it propaganda, then I apologize, that was not my intention

No, no. I didn't consider what you said propaganda. What the Nazis "thought" was propaganda. You can't spread lies without knowing they are untrue. They knew it.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont.

Well, there you have it. Calling everyone its does not necessarily follow from calling serial killers its.

The path you are taking with your "logic" can lead all over the place. The same argument could be used for "Oh, do I get to stab ONLY serial killers in my home or anyone I don't want there?"

I consider that a legitimate question that would be relative to this discussion, albeit a bit stressed. If I killed everyone I didnt want there, that would make me a serial killer also, wouldnt it? My MO would be "kills everyone in his home who he doesnt want there". It would also be questioned "did he invite them in and then kill them?" or "was he killing intruders?". If I personally killed a serial killer (otherwise known on this thread as "it") wouldnt I be doing society a favor and therefore considered a hero?[/quote]

Now you're jumping again. You are trying to say that one extreme follows another, simpler position. Now, you are saying people would probably stop themselves from going to the further extreme. Which is it? Are people who call serial killers it genocidal maniacs or not?

umm...

No..LOL. This is more of a self defense question and not about the death penalty in my opinion.

*sigh* Yes, but you brought in an analogy. I showed you that your analogy is ludicrous. Insulting a group of murderers does not mean you will insult everyone.

I dont consider state sanctioned executions to be "self preservation methods" nor do I consider them PC.

Rev, you brought in all of these other scenarios and, when I address them, you act like I am going off-topic. We weren't talking about executions being self-preservation. We were talking about dehumanizing being a defense mechanism. You followed that it would then extend to races, which is silly considering hating a murderer doesn't make you a racist. I then said that I don't agree with having to be PC about it and you then said the above statement. It doesn't follow. Are we talking about the "it" thing or the death penalty thing, because I'm relatively certain our conversation has been on the former.

Im glad to hear that

I dislike serial killers as well. I just think that instead of chopping the problems head off, we should instead FIX the problem.

Careful. You might commit genocide and lynch blacks now.

So then if we were talking about Jefferey Dahmers, and Epi called him "it", then you would post something to the tune of "no epi..Jefferey is a "him", not an "it".
Intent is very important in my questioning of calling serial killers and rapists as "it".

I wouldn't tell him what language to use. If he were writing something for me, I would ask that he change it to suit AP style, but, I assure you, AP is not the only grammatical style. Some allow for the it factor.

What is YOUR intent in using "it"? What is Epi's intent in using "it"?

I don't believe I did use it, apart from making points in this conversation.

Yes, I agree. Calling Humans "it" on purpose when you are aware of their sex opens a new can of worms and is indeed a slippery slope. Next we will be calling them "demons".

I meant it in the fallacy sense of the word. It's a slippery slope that is entirely unlikely and backed up by absolutely no explanation on your part. A does not lead to C. If Epi were already a racist or a prick, I would say maybe it is likely for him to run around calling all sorts of people names, but I could call Stat an idiot and you don't jump all over me saying how, "If you start with him, you'll be calling everyone idiots!" Selective a bit.