RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 5, 2022 at 2:24 pm
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2022 at 2:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 5, 2022 at 1:51 pm)Duty Wrote:I wouldn't hinge too many lives on those things..but, end of the day, other people could only be counted on to know what they would want, not what the person in question would want.(October 5, 2022 at 12:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How the everlasting fuck does the general population know what a particular patient wants?
Let’s imagine that a voter referendum splits 70/30 in favour of your plan, so it gets enacted into law. That means 3 out of 10 people who become locked in are going to be killed against their wishes. I’m no lawyer, but I’m fairly certain that killing someone who doesn’t want to be killed is called ‘murder’.
Your estimate that 99 or 100% of the gen pop would agree with your plan is simply wishful thinking.
Boru
How? Empathy and hypothetical thinking.
Quote:And yet you are comfortable with deciding that the patient would want to live and so insert a peg and tube feed them in perpetuity without their consent?As far as I'm aware, that isn't so much a decision as the immediate intervention in a health emergency. People in such a state generally don't have the option to consent to or refuse such treatment in that moment.
Quote:Let me ask you a simple question Boru, I know you're just one person, but I bet you'll give the same answer as does everybody else I've communicated to about this if you answer honestly. Would you want to live if you were rendered permanently utterly paralysed, double-incontinent and unable to eat, drink or communicate in any way?I'll be leaving that up to my family in that event. If they have the cash to burn and for whatever reason want to spend it keeping me alive, that's on them (though I hope they know me enough to know I wouldn't blame them or be angry at them for pulling a plug). I won't be there to chime in either way. I certainly hope that I would, in a health emergency requiring that immediate intervention, receive that care - even though it could turn out that way and put my family in the position to have to make such a decision.
I don't want any of -you- voting on it, for any reason, ever. Don't get me wrong, I like you guys just fine, but keep your hands of my corpse.
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