(October 16, 2022 at 7:57 am)Belacqua Wrote: Oops, obviously I made a mistake earlier. I said that Haiti was the first to gain its independence, but of course the US was before that.
In an important way the US was the first to do it and the last to get away with it.
As everyone knows, the War of Independence was fought for Liberty, Justice, and All Good Things. It's important to remember that it was fought largely over who got to control the cotton.
Cotton was an extremely valuable commodity in those days, but the people who profited were those who processed and wove it, not those who grew it. Britain used America as its source for the raw material but refused to allow them the technology or the economic freedom to do the processing. The British wanted the profit for themselves, of course. American producers wanted the extra value gained through processing, so they fought for independence. (This is probably not well known by people who get their history from AmericaFuckYeah.gov.)
Britain was careful not to make the same mistake twice, so when they moved their cotton growing source to Egypt they were careful to control industry there too. No factories or technology to get the value that Britain wanted for itself. If the technology is held down then obviously the economy and consequently education is held down. This is why Napoleon bothered to conquer Egypt and why it remains a poor country. It must not be allowed to develop.
The US did the same to Haiti and many other countries, requiring sources of cheap labor so that rich people in the US could keep the profits for themselves. The Clintons helped. The invasion force that's on its way will maintain this status quo, not help to enrich the people of Haiti.
This is ultimately what the current war is about also. The US requires that no other area be allowed to develop to the point where it can compete. Propaganda, again, insists that the US has nothing to do with this war, that it is only New Modern Hitler trying to enlarge his territory. Very naive people believe this. The governments of Russia and China of course know the history and the policies of the US better than most Americans. Whenever you read propaganda from any of these governments, it's necessary to keep this larger goal in mind.
“As everyone knows, the War of Independence was fought for Liberty, Justice, and All Good Things. It's important to remember that it was fought largely over who got to control the cotton.
Cotton was an extremely valuable commodity in those days, but the people who profited were those who processed and wove it, not those who grew it. Britain used America as its source for the raw material but refused to allow them the technology or the economic freedom to do the processing. The British wanted the profit for themselves, of course. American producers wanted the extra value gained through processing, so they fought for independence. (This is probably not well known by people who get their history from AmericaFuckYeah.gov.)”
This seems like a Marxist interpretation of things. And I can agree to that. But there is also a whole philosophical background that starts in the 17th century. Philosophers like Montesquieu, Diderot, Rousseau, Voltaire, John Locke etc. has been debating for almost two centuries about the nature of government and about how a more modern and just way of government should be. And Thomas Jefferson has a very nice book called “Liberty and State”. In this book you can see how this states-person struggles to determine the ideal form of governance for the future USA.
So your approach is too simplistic. King George must have seen it that way. But not the American People.
“Britain was careful not to make the same mistake twice, so when they moved their cotton growing source to Egypt they were careful to control industry there too. No factories or technology to get the value that Britain wanted for itself. If the technology is held down then obviously the economy and consequently education is held down. This is why Napoleon bothered to conquer Egypt and why it remains a poor country. It must not be allowed to develop.”
- Napoleon was a little bit like Hitler. He believed in the occult. When he went to conquer Egypt he took about 200 scientists with him in order to discover the technologies hidden in the Great Pyramids. Of course this had very positive consequences for Egyptology (Like the discovery of the Rosetta Stone for instance). But he failed to discover hidden Egyptian technologies that would allow him to conquer the entire world.
“The governments of Russia and China of course know the history and the policies of the US better than most Americans.”
Why would anyone want to believe the state sponsored media of Russia or China (including, and above all the people of Russia and China)? Why would we want to do that?
