(December 7, 2022 at 7:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: At this point, is there anything left to say?You're right there's nothing left to say if you won't provide us with evidence that the Rhyolite pebble in my backyard was wished into existence by a god. I know where it came from and it wasn't a god. It came from existence which has always existed.
An atheist won't believe in creation by God. And if he's in agreement with the current science, as reported here, he won't believe the universe appeared ex nihilo.
A Christian or a Jew might believe in creation ex nihilo, but not for scientific reasons.
So other than repeating over and over that the other team has bad reasons, I don't know what one can say about it.
The point of this thread was to point out a flaw in creationism that I've never seen pointed out. It gets a pass because I guess there are so many philosophical problems with the notion that it is not needed but it's just more ammunition in the fight against irrational philosophy.
You say that atheists won't believe that a god created everything ex nihilo by wishing it into existence, because that's the method proposed by creationists, and I've just shown, and many others have shown that there is no rational reason to believe it. Creationists will continue to believe and try to "debate" and they will never, ever acknowledge flaws that are pointed out. In 25 years I've never once seen it happen once.
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"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."
