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Dinosaurs Weren't in the Bible...They Never Even Existed.
RE: Dinosaurs Weren't in the Bible...They Never Even Existed.
I usually hate to come in in the middle of a discussion like this but...
Oh! What the hey?!

It's that extra delusoinal belief system that really sets the flavor!

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Nope, but I will never get tired of shoving my boot up yours. Observing small changes in organisms is not observing all life on earth descending from a single common ancestor. In fact creationists welcome these observations of speciation and small changes because they help explain the Ark. So you are going to have to do a whole lot better if you are going to try and prove a historical science such as evolution is actually an operational science such as Physics.
No, but small changes over time tends to be recorded quite well in any creature's genetic code, which can be analyzed.

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Didn’t answer my question, has the process ever been observed to actually happen in Nature?
I wasn't aware that direct observation was necessary to prove that something can happen. In fact, I think the only people who have ever argued that this was necessary to science is creationists. It's an amusing prospect considering that none of them have observed any supernatural event and even if they did, the worst kind of evidence is eye witness testimony. It's unreliable. That's why science has better methods for testing evidence - like radiometric dating or performing tests in laboratory or other conditions.

Here are a few interesting links:
Chilren's Experiment to ID Fossils - even discriminating against fake fossils[/quote]
[url=http://www2.volstate.edu/svinson/virtual%20labs/virtuallab11.pdf]A brief paper on what fossils actually are
- as opposed to confusing them with sculptures and other man-made objects

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: It’s not my job to back up a negative claim; it’s yours to provide evidence for the positive claim. Give me a peer reviewed article that details the observed event of an animal dying, being buried, and then being fossilized in the wild. I don’t want theory and storytelling; I want actual repeatable direct observation of this process actually happening.
Fossilization (palaeontology)
Fossilization of Soft Tissue in the Laboratory
Understanding fossilization: Experimental pyritization of plants
How Did Dinosaur Bones Turn Into Fossils?

There you are. Several papers, each with references of a scientific nature. Now, I've done my part to prove that fossilization is a thing, where's the equivelent for the bible and/or anything therein?

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Bingo, that’s why I have been asking for a logical syllogism all along and have not gotten one yet.
What you've asked for is something no one could ever provide anyone else of anything and when we can't provide what you're asking, you think you win. It's akin to asking someone to prove that money exists by handing you all of it or proving that meteors exist in space without relying on telescopes or robotic probes.
You're simply being ridiculous.

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Depends on what you will accept as evidence.
Radiometrically dated fossils and surrounding rocks, measured changes in DNA over time (it occurs at a regular interval, so two creatures that lived around the same time would have the same number of changes to their DNA since that time), reliable historical documentation, or other facators I may be forgetting can all provide acceptable evidence.

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Actually I have proven I hold to a stricter definition as to what is science and what is not, don’t hate me because I am more of a scientific purist than you are.
I have no idea how to react to this statement. It's so patently ludicrous that it defies sesibility. You consider yourself more of a scientist than all of the scientists who contradict your biblical bias as well as those of answers in genesis and other creationists?
PLEASE! Don't make me laugh.

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I understand your urge to silence someone you can’t refute, it’s a natural behavior for many people. I don’t believe I have met anyone on here besides myself who qualifies as above, so I think the conversations would be pretty silent on here.
This quote reminds me of Newt Gingritch's declaration that he'll definatively be the nominee for the republican party shortly after springing ahead in the polls for a few days (if that).

(December 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I am so glad it’s not, that would make it fallible.
Indeed - science can be fallible. The bible is just fiction.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Dinosaurs Weren't in the Bible...They Never Even Existed. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 6, 2011 at 12:16 am

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