(February 12, 2023 at 3:36 am)Belacqua Wrote:You know I've been searching the Bible for any mention of pride and in every case, the Bible gives a negative spin to pride. The only reference to pride in a positive light is talking about a people bieng proud because they obeyed God. Every instance of individual pride is negative and it is associated with arrogance, haughtiness, boastfulness, thinking highly of one's self,(February 11, 2023 at 11:11 pm)Objectivist Wrote: I actually define pride as moral ambition. I just said self-worth to avoid using an objectivist definition when the normal one would get my point across. But thank you again for enlightening me.
Thank you for being so reasonable about this. So many of these issues result from people defining things differently.
I agree that moral ambition and self-worth are valuable things to have. And I can see how they overlap with the more modern meaning of "pride."
Recently people have been talking about "deaths of despair" in America, where people just give up and stop taking care of themselves. Here in Japan people who lose their self-worth jump in front of trains, but I suspect Americans are more likely to sit on the sofa, self-medicate, and play video games until they croak. I wish there were some way to motivate such people, so they could get back their ambition.
When my brother was teaching elementary school the board of education got on a kick about teaching "self-esteem" to all the kids. My brother got in trouble by suggesting that they ought to do something to earn their self-esteem, rather than just having it handed to them.
I guess all this has been on my mind because we have recently lost the last of my family's older generation, and this has made me, by default, the new older generation. So I feel somewhat reflective and self-critical, thinking a lot about parts of my life in which I am NOT deserving of esteem. This is why I'm thinking about accurate views of oneself -- humility demands that I acknowledge the ways in which I am or was bad. Pride (in the bad sense) would allow me to justify or ignore those times.
,destructiion, downfall, strife, and violence. So I think C S is using pride exactly as the Bible uses it. I stand by my statement. As long as C S Lewis accepts Christian morality he must, to be consistent, treat pride as a sin.
Now, I no longer own a bible so I can't look to see how the Bible defines pride if it does. Can you point to a passage in the Bible that treats pride as a virtue. I mean maybe I'm missing it.
"Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind, and a step that travels unlimited roads."
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."