Dinosaurs Weren't in the Bible...They Never Even Existed.

[Statler Waldorf]

First of all, you asked how it FOSSILIZATION HAPPENS NATURALLY, not spexcifically how dinosaurs fossilize (which, by the way, occurs by the same process).

Well surely you see the problem with what you did right? You gave me a very specific case of how fossilization is supposed to happen in silica thermal springs, which of course Dinosaurs did not live in Silica thermal springs. Not to mention the fact that the article never mention any observation of the process, but rather finding the fossils afterwards and comparing them to the environment they were found in.

Secondly, fossilization has been studied for at least 100 years in the wild (particularly in caves), AND in the laboratory. Do we know everything there is to know about the process? No. But so what?

Have there been any dinosaur fossils even found in caves?

Finally, just as we can dewtermine how cells work by studying the processes by which they work, we can study fossilization by studying the processes that fossilize an organism. Direct observation is NOT required, though it has been observed and measured many times in caves. Are you suggesting that fossils don't exist? What exactly, is your objection to the existence of fossils?

Nothing actually, I realize you came into this late and probably missed the whole point of our discussion. I was merely showing that if a person is as skeptical as many atheists on here are, they can deny the existence of things that are completely obvious such as dinosaurs. So I proceeded to use many of the arguments atheists use against me to argue against the existence of dinosaurs. I think it was helpful because it showed that if someone is being skeptical simply for the sake of being skeptical they become rather annoying and obtuse; which is what I run into with many people who are skeptical about God’s existence.

Well, dude. You can start by taking a class in rocks for jocks (geology 101). I recommend this one first because it qppears to be all you can handle at the moment.

I took some Geology in University; I find it extremely boring to be honest with you.

Then, before you advance to other, more advanced classes, I highly recommend that you take classes in physics, inorganic and organic chemistry, and most importantly, take a class in biology.

Haha, is this some kind of joke? I took loads of that already.

I worked for 22 years as a certified professional geologist conducting field work in 13 states. Just because I no longer work in the field doesn't mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Well I’d want cutting edge stuff, so I’d want someone who was still employed in the profession.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Go out in the field with me and I will show you what I know. It really is that simple. Come on, Grasshopper. What have you got to lose, but your delusions?

Uh, time and money?

You are the one who defined a goalpost and I challenged you to provide the evidence. And now you are claiing it to be my goalpost? Priceless. Perhaps you should review your posts.

Nope, I need to know what YOU accept as evidence. If you are not going to accept anything as evidence then I will write you off as hopelessly biased and won’t waste my time.

That that is true there can be no doubt.

Huh?

Science doesn't require direct observation, though it is important to provide it when it is discovered.

Operational and empirical sciences do.

You cannot directly see infrared light but do you doubt that it exists?

Direct observation doesn’t necessarily only mean one’s eyes.

Let's go on a geology field trip any place of your choice, of you like (but to be fair, I am most expert on midwest geology, and am poor because I am disabled, so I prefer to stay close to home).

Well that’s going to be a problem then because I live in the West and don’t much care to visit the Midwest right now. It’s a shame; we have some of the best fossil beds in the world about 100 miles from here.

So come on grasshopper. Put your money where your mouth is. What are you afraid of?

Wasting my money.

You said direct observation must occur for science to happen. But we have never made direct observations of ANY planet other than Earth and the Moon. Observations of the other planets have all been made with indirect observations. Do you doubt any of those observations (such as the fact that Venus is hot and dry as a bone)?

I don’t think direct observation in regards to empirical science means what you think it means.

Similarly, indirect observations are made in the laboratory all the time. They are vital to all research endeavors.

Such as?

Again, direct observation is not, and never has been a requirement for conducting any scientific research.

Karl Popper called, he says you are full of beans.

Youare a liar, Statler. I cannot and will not be kind about this.

So when someone schools you all you can do is call them a liar? Yeah that’s a rational defense! I clearly pointed out observable evidence concerning proteins and soft tissue that demonstrates dinosaurs lived within the last 10,000 years.

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Evidence: None

Surely you know that you can’t have fallible evidence to support something is infallible.

Stat regarding dinosaur and human interaction: observable evidence we have indeed does support the fact that Dinosaurs lived at the same time period as humans.

Evidence: None

I already provided this evidence, did you miss it or ignore it. Soft tissue.