(May 6, 2023 at 4:19 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: It is broken is what it is. We have precisely zero experience with creation of universes or creation from nothing. What you call "creation" is merely rearranging existing matter and energy. Your analogy fails.
We have experience of what an intelligent agent is capable of doing (us). So the anaology goes the universe might also be the work of an intelligence
Probably you shouldn't forget the bigger picture. When you consider things as big and sophisticated as the Solar System, is it acceptable to you if we say: nah, unimpressive, all this is just rearrangement of matter. You want us to seriously believe that something this huge kept rearranging itselff in ad hoc ways for billions of years, and that life forms as complicated as human beings came out of this mess ?
Are you trying to bastardize people ? Consider something mundane such as following a recipe, we know that human beings can perfectly fail at that by a simple, tiny mistake and screw the meal. Imagine that the task was assigned to monkeys instead of human beings, the probability of failure is now much higher. Imagine if we have no one instead of monkeys, ..........?
When we have a good cook, they will smartly combine the ingredients and leave the food in the oven, and the oven will take care of the rest. If we have a good meal in the end, that's because we have a smart and knowledgeable cook. It's certainly not solely explained by the oven alone. The oven being an analogy for the "forces of nature";
The whole evolutionary history is a very long "cooking" process that yielded human beings. You really need a good cook who put the right ingredients in the oven........
