(May 12, 2023 at 3:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's extremely clear how an objective morality is defined regardless of whether or not I'm right about there being one. Sure, some objective moral values or statements take more disicipline, consideration, or information to arrive at than -any- subjective moral value...but is that a problem?
Yeah, it absolutely is a problem. It's a plain fact that disciplined, well-informed and intelligent people disagree about the morality of all kinds of issues. How to decide, then, whether X is right or wrong ?
A little remainder here : we're assuming God exists for the sake of this discussion, the contentious issue is whether to listen to God, or to people disagreeing with each other for futile reasons. I think the answer should be clear already.
(May 12, 2023 at 3:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You could, you're right, insist that I don't have any way to access a moral fact. That's not really a theist thing, believing in fairies doesn't grant you any special ability or credibility on that count, lol.
It's true that I don't have more access to facts than you do. But my worldview has a coherent way to assess the morality of facts : follow God's instructions, yours doesn't.
You might ask: then what are God's instructions ? I think they are clear once you read the major religious scriptures : the new testament (the christian scripture), the koran (the muhammadan scripture) , the torah (the old testament), etc. that they have a kernel of religious truths that can plausibly be ascribed to God.
