(May 12, 2023 at 2:59 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Didn't your god allegedly make me? How is it I came out as an unintended mistake?
Um. because you decided to ?
Right, and your all-powerful, omniscient god couldn't figure out a single way to change my mind? Did he plan for me to be an apostate -- dooming me to Hell by his own plan -- or was he unable to present a good reason to believe?
You cannot have omnipotence, omnibenificence, and Hell. They are logically contradictory.
(May 12, 2023 at 2:59 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Either your god meant to make me an atheist, which means he is not perfectly just for dooming me to hell for being his own creation; or your god didn't make me,
False dilemma. God meant for you to have free will, that's another available option for the theist.
Wrong. It is not free will at all if my soul is held for ransom. Otherwise, you would have to acquit the armed robber pointing a gun at his victim. If duress is in play -- which it certainly is in "believe in me or suffer for all eternity" -- then there is no free will. This is simple, shady apologetics, and should be beneath you.
(May 12, 2023 at 2:59 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:(May 6, 2023 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Which queen is it you wish to sacrifice? You cannot have an omnipotent and perfectly merciful god if you surrender any of these components.
Omnipotence is clearly defined: for any possible world W, God can bring about W
Right. Now why can't your god change my mind?
(May 12, 2023 at 2:59 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote: But, "perfectly merciful" ... it's not clear.
Given the bloody toll he's exacted from his own creations, it's pretty clear he isn't merciful. Given that Hell represents infinite punishment for finite "crimes", his mercy is impeached .. by his own "holy" book.
Your boilerplate apologetics are unconvincing. If you're the best messenger your god can scrape up, he's in trouble. And if you're not, then he'd ought to bring in someone with real answers instead of this rote bullshit.