Jesus on the Gospel, not any Christian Church, and the Afterlife
May 15, 2023 at 6:26 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2023 at 6:30 am by KerimF.)
Hi,
This topic is for the atheists and the formal Christians (followers of a certain Christian Church/Denomination) who didn’t have the chance to read Jesus saying on the today’s Gospel seriously (as we read a scientific book).
Jesus used to refer to what is known (in the far past till now) as Hell by using the expression ‘The Everlasting Fire’. But the real practical meaning of this expression opposes, since always, the main interests of the powerful rich Elite (religious or political) anywhere in the world.
First, let us revise what the common point could be in Jesus' sayings (below) that describe the ‘Hell Fire’:
[1] “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
[2] “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
[3] “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.”
[4] “Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.”
[5] “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
I personally don’t see any sign of torture in these clear sayings above... right? They are just about burning things that are no more useful.
On the other hand, one can also find sayings in which Jesus refers to hell as a place of torture. But Jesus didn’t give any real example of this torture as he did for the 'Everlasting Fire’ (which burns non-useful things in order to return them back to their raw state).
Unfortunately, these sayings had to be added on the Gospel because they go with the interests of all powerful rich masters in order for them to better control their multitudes. And only some of these masters had an interest and the means to print and distribute the Gospel from one generation to another.
After all, most adults, as most kids, are used to believe (based on their instincts of applying justice, not love, towards others) that they also deserve being punished, in one way or another (including torture), if they work against the will of their masters, also against the will of their Creator who is presented to them officially as being a supernatural ruling king. In other words, the Creator (known by theists in general) has to also limit himself by his own law which he has to apply on his subjects (a law which differs from one religion to another).
Conclusion:
As revealed by Jesus on the Gospel, whoever couldn’t live, anytime in his life, the Unconditional Love towards all others (no matter if they are good or evil), he will simply return back, after the death of his living body, to his state of ‘nothing’ (his state before birth).
Isn’t it good news for everyone?
Cheers,
Kerim
This topic is for the atheists and the formal Christians (followers of a certain Christian Church/Denomination) who didn’t have the chance to read Jesus saying on the today’s Gospel seriously (as we read a scientific book).
Jesus used to refer to what is known (in the far past till now) as Hell by using the expression ‘The Everlasting Fire’. But the real practical meaning of this expression opposes, since always, the main interests of the powerful rich Elite (religious or political) anywhere in the world.
First, let us revise what the common point could be in Jesus' sayings (below) that describe the ‘Hell Fire’:
[1] “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
[2] “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
[3] “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.”
[4] “Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.”
[5] “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
I personally don’t see any sign of torture in these clear sayings above... right? They are just about burning things that are no more useful.
On the other hand, one can also find sayings in which Jesus refers to hell as a place of torture. But Jesus didn’t give any real example of this torture as he did for the 'Everlasting Fire’ (which burns non-useful things in order to return them back to their raw state).
Unfortunately, these sayings had to be added on the Gospel because they go with the interests of all powerful rich masters in order for them to better control their multitudes. And only some of these masters had an interest and the means to print and distribute the Gospel from one generation to another.
After all, most adults, as most kids, are used to believe (based on their instincts of applying justice, not love, towards others) that they also deserve being punished, in one way or another (including torture), if they work against the will of their masters, also against the will of their Creator who is presented to them officially as being a supernatural ruling king. In other words, the Creator (known by theists in general) has to also limit himself by his own law which he has to apply on his subjects (a law which differs from one religion to another).
Conclusion:
As revealed by Jesus on the Gospel, whoever couldn’t live, anytime in his life, the Unconditional Love towards all others (no matter if they are good or evil), he will simply return back, after the death of his living body, to his state of ‘nothing’ (his state before birth).
Isn’t it good news for everyone?
Cheers,
Kerim
