(May 17, 2023 at 4:44 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:(May 17, 2023 at 4:32 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Yes I do believe that. I believe morality (in the sense of pure objective, ground in truth morality) only exists if God exists. Otherwise it is purely human desire/preferences.
Yes, what hope is there in a naturalistic framework? Konrad Adenauer told Billy Graham that outside that resurrection of Jesus Christ he sees no other hope for mankind.
Again, I find this sad.
I think it's important for a person to have a sense of morality and hope that is internal. If you have to be told to be either one it doesn't mean a whole lot beyond following some set of rules.
Part of the reason I don't follow the teachings of or about a god or gods.
It ok that you find it sad, I find the opposite. What you describe is simply each person is their own "God". You find and define your own morality and own hope. Gives no basis to judge anything else except that it's not your personal preference. You may categorize Auschwitz as evil and Hitler killing himself as a lack of justice, but that's all it is. Personal opinion. I believe there is something greater, something eternal. This world is finite. I see evidence that leads me to believe in something beyond what I see. That brings me eternal hope. As an atheist, you prescribe that each person derives their own meaning. I find mine in this, fulfilling the existential requirement of meaning in the atheistic framework, yet you deem it sad. I find that odd.
We are not made happy by what we acquire but by what we appreciate.
