(June 28, 2023 at 2:20 am)Deesse23 Wrote:(June 28, 2023 at 1:59 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Sen Marco Rubio claims to have spoken with multiple other top intelligence officials who were supposedly directly involved with crash retrieval programs and first hand witnesses. Sen Rubio says top intelligence whistleblowers have been coming forward to them for years saying the same thing Grusch is, before whistleblower protections were put into place.Same thing with the authors of the gospels. Are you a christian now?
No, I'm not a Christian because of the authors of the gospel's claims, and I don't believe we are being visited by aliens either, but I am becoming more open to that possibility as time goes on and more comes out. The claim by Sen Rubio is that the Inspector General would not have called Grusch credible for no reason, and the Inspector General was supposedly given a bunch of evidence by Grusch, so just because we the public are not allowed to see the evidence, that does not therefore entail that no such evidence exists, which is why I am staying agnostic on the issue. You do not seem to be staying agnostic and you seem to have your mind made up. If a bunch of evidence has really been provided to the Inspector General, and a bunch of top intelligence officials have been consistently saying the same consistent story to different senators for years it seems, then that is quite a bit different from the authors of religious texts making some claims because some people got high on mushrooms and hallucinated or some shit. To equate the two things or act like they are even a little bit the same, is not coming at this issue in good faith. Before the NYT article a few years back, I was the same as you guys. I thought the distances between habitable planets was far too vast. I bought into everything from the debunkers because their arguments seemed far more likely based on occams razor, but since the NYT article, things are different. We can't sit here and pretend that that article didn't change the lay of the land. Sensor data of thousands of UAP from multiple different types of censors, all showing the same thing. These are not glitches. The UAP phenomena is real. The crash retrieval stuff I've mostly blocked out of my mind the past few years as it just seemed too far fetched, and obviously it's a big mind fuck, so I don't really know where I stand on that right now. It seems extremely unlikely, but still possible, and supposedly the evidence is now in the hands of the Inspector General. I don't blame anyone for not taking any of it seriously without seeing the evidence themselves, but sadly we little people aren't allowed to see these things, so we have to settle for the best information we have at the moment.