(July 27, 2023 at 7:50 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Here is the Nature Journal: "The Book of Genesis puts Adam and Eve together in the Garden of Eden, but geneticists’ version of the duo — the ancestors to whom the Y chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA of today’s humans can be traced —....and here id like to pause for a second and ask an important question.
There is something i just dont understand. I am going to ask this, of course, to the forum, not to Nx, since he has constantly lied, and will keep lying about his lies. It goes as far as down to the core of his belief:
As Thump has hinted, the RCC has accepted the Theory of Evolution, yet NX denies it. NX must know that his belief is NOT entirely compatible with catholicism, yet he considers himself to be a catholic. Why not keep being a christian and at least be honest about this little part of your belief and be some sort of evangelical, evolution denying fundamentalist baptist denomination? He seems to be inconsistent and intellectually dishonest even WITHIN his own belief system. Is it that there is something special that led him to catholicism or binds him to catholicism, although he obviously does not agree with it? If he cant be honest with himself, i cant expect him to be honest to us, and then there is his posting history here....
I am really curious, and its really sad that NX can not be asked directly, since, as i mentioned, he is engaged in so many blatant lies, that literally nothing regarding his belief can be accepted without being checked, and i can not check his internal monologues.
Now that we have established that he wont be a trustworthy source of information for me: I never was religious, but i know many of you were, so maybe you can shed some light for me on the thought processes here.
My question is:
how do people like him reconcile that their holy book condems lying, but evidently lying is essential to his presence here in order to convert people?
Often it is said "lying for Jesus.......". Is it really this? Are these kind of people really thinking that lying for a good cause is ok, although lying is a mortal sin? End justifies the means?
Or is it them thinking their god is stupid and wont see this? I know he is allegedly omnipresent and omniscient, but i know that the religious/catholics DO think that way sometimes.
We have a meal here in southern Germany, a pasta. Its called "little god foolers". Its meat wrapped in pasta so god cant see the meat inside on a Friday. Is it that people like NX honestly think their god wont see them lying although he is supposed to be clearly able to do so?
Another explanation, and the most probable according to Occams Razor would be: Intellectual laziness, caused by obsession with religious belief. He simply reads his script. Yes he may engage in some conversation after starting a topic, but as soon as the discussion is closed, he seems to go back, pretend it never happened and repeat all the same lies, misinterpetations and other falsehods he was just being informed of.
Maybe i am overthinking and we just are dealing with inclredibly uninformed people, who are intellectually lazy, thus they will never learn, since they dont bother to learn. Their main focus is their religious belief, and everything else, like truth, honesty, personal integrity is compeltely subordinate. This would be consistent with the MO we have seen here from him. This also would be in alignment with WLC (who NX seem to hold in high regards) who also puts religious belief above any truth found otherwise.
Seriously: What the fuck is going on in such a mind? I know its most probably irrational, there is clear dishonesty to others, most probably being a result of dishonesty to oneself, i am not asking for a justification, i am looking for an explanation.
Thanks
Example:
In his evolution thread he strawmanned science with a "single couple of mEVE / Adam". he then was informed that this is untrue. Science claims that there was a woman, of whom we all are decendants, but there were OTHER WOMEN of whom we are NOT all decendants (and whose lineages nid NOT die out, which is a kind of sub-strawman he has put up).
Now, he just repeats his old strawman (much like WLC, whom he admires so much) as if he was never corrected. Its not about the truth of the claim, its about the strawman, which, for some reason he desperately keeps up and arguing against.
In his threads and replies, this pattern is pretty apparent and it seems to be a centerpiece of the way he engages.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse