RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
December 16, 2011 at 12:28 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2011 at 12:55 am by The Grand Nudger.)
A youtube debate isn't evidence, unless two mouth breathers arguing over which star wars flick is the best is evidence for the existence of Obi Wan Kenobi. There is no such thing as creation science. I'm sorry, but that's the cold hard truth. If this is a pillar of your faith you're going to need to look for something else to prop up your sagging myth.
Since you seem to be completely stuck on this I'm going to link you the wiki. The habitable zone in our own solar system is estimated to be between .7 and 3 AU wide, in a hollow sphere (roughly) surrounding our sun. A single AU is 149,597,870km. That's discounting extremophiles (that live here on our own rock), subsurface oceans, and alternative biochemistry. That habitable zone where the conditions were "close enough" is massive, isn't it. Run the volume of that hollow sphere through your mind a bit. Now imagine all of the things in that immense amount of space that will completely end you. Consider how many planets (or moons, or asteroids) currently float around in each stars habitable zone (different sizes for different stars). Just how special is this zone? Just how exclusive? Now consider the even greater amount of space that is not within this zone.
When you say "just right for life", or "close enough for life" you simply mean "just right for me". Well, no shit, where else would you be found? Someplace that you can't survive? Case in point, the place we live isn't "close enough" for our own biology. We require shelter, clothing, tools, etc. Our own biology isn't even "close enough" for our own biology. From "just right" to "close enough" is just the same sort of backpedaling bullshit you get day in and day out from any apologist. I won't stand for it and neither should you. If this rock were designed it was designed with beetles in mind, which represent 40% of described species (for perspective, all of the things you think of when you think of "animals" are slightly less than 1%). Even the beetles would go the way of the Dodo if it weren't for photosynthetics, which poison their own biosphere with the oxygen we (and beetles) require for life. Oxygen which is constantly escaping our planet. Good thing plants just keep shitting where they eat. Pointing to any single species and saying that this place is "just right" or "close enough" doesn't quite work. It doesn't work for life as a whole either, since every living thing just keeps on dying. Now, you always hear that if this place were designed it would be a bad design. That's not entirely true. It's no design at all. No designer would implement anything so arbitrary. My three year old can keep blocks stacked together, and she's not exactly a "designer", nor is she able to bend or shape the laws of nature to do so. This "designed universe" can do no such thing. What are you proposing, a god that created everything without understanding how any single piece of the creation worked, a god that is powerless in the face of it's own creation? A god that wished for the extermination of all life? How lucky for him, and us(or maybe not). I see nothing worth bowing down to in any of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_zone
Since you seem to be completely stuck on this I'm going to link you the wiki. The habitable zone in our own solar system is estimated to be between .7 and 3 AU wide, in a hollow sphere (roughly) surrounding our sun. A single AU is 149,597,870km. That's discounting extremophiles (that live here on our own rock), subsurface oceans, and alternative biochemistry. That habitable zone where the conditions were "close enough" is massive, isn't it. Run the volume of that hollow sphere through your mind a bit. Now imagine all of the things in that immense amount of space that will completely end you. Consider how many planets (or moons, or asteroids) currently float around in each stars habitable zone (different sizes for different stars). Just how special is this zone? Just how exclusive? Now consider the even greater amount of space that is not within this zone.
When you say "just right for life", or "close enough for life" you simply mean "just right for me". Well, no shit, where else would you be found? Someplace that you can't survive? Case in point, the place we live isn't "close enough" for our own biology. We require shelter, clothing, tools, etc. Our own biology isn't even "close enough" for our own biology. From "just right" to "close enough" is just the same sort of backpedaling bullshit you get day in and day out from any apologist. I won't stand for it and neither should you. If this rock were designed it was designed with beetles in mind, which represent 40% of described species (for perspective, all of the things you think of when you think of "animals" are slightly less than 1%). Even the beetles would go the way of the Dodo if it weren't for photosynthetics, which poison their own biosphere with the oxygen we (and beetles) require for life. Oxygen which is constantly escaping our planet. Good thing plants just keep shitting where they eat. Pointing to any single species and saying that this place is "just right" or "close enough" doesn't quite work. It doesn't work for life as a whole either, since every living thing just keeps on dying. Now, you always hear that if this place were designed it would be a bad design. That's not entirely true. It's no design at all. No designer would implement anything so arbitrary. My three year old can keep blocks stacked together, and she's not exactly a "designer", nor is she able to bend or shape the laws of nature to do so. This "designed universe" can do no such thing. What are you proposing, a god that created everything without understanding how any single piece of the creation worked, a god that is powerless in the face of it's own creation? A god that wished for the extermination of all life? How lucky for him, and us(or maybe not). I see nothing worth bowing down to in any of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_zone
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