RE: Woman - Life - Freedom Movement in Iran 2.0
September 2, 2023 at 9:55 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2023 at 9:56 am by Leonardo17.)
And back to the reason why I joined this forum in the first place:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gender-aparth...51080.html
As a person who grew up within a Muslim culture I made it into my duty to remind people that there is nothing more unspiritual than taking some spiritual practices and beliefs and turning them into a tool for creating mass approval of a political regime.
The reason for that is that there is nothing more personal than faith. And every true spiritual practitioner of any religion will describe religion as a relationship between the divine and the individual himself / herself. But I must have already said that at least 200 times so I’ll share some holyday pictures with you instead:
![[Image: sjRnOZzp4Gh.jpg]](https://r.resimlink.com/sjRnOZzp4Gh.jpg)
What looks like a black rag under the arrow is actually a man with a usual sea-short (behind) and this:
![[Image: burkini.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&quality...45%2Csmart]](https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/11/08/burkini.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&quality=50&crop=968%3A645%2Csmart)
Sorry for being so graphic. But it’s like 11.30 in the morning. And these guys were like sunbathing in the “Muslim” way.
One short observation: It usually depends on how strong the hijab wearing woman is. But I have not seen any of them lasting more than an hour or two (for obvious reasons).
So the point where I want to bring this topic is this:
There is no one-size fits all solution to this problem. In fact different nations within the EU have different laws on this:
France has banned the burkini + headscarves in schools and in public service. This and Christian crosses are banned in schools and public service too. That’s because of the principle of Laicité (the strict separation of religion and politics).
So I’m not even talking about traumatizing and completely barbaric cultural elements. You cannot go to school with a cross in France and Belgium. It’s forbidden.
Germany has a different approach. They even promote the Burkini in public swimming pools (because otherwise these women may want to go to the swimming pool wearing their usual clothes).
Also being completely covered up in black cloth including the face is forbidden almost everywhere, for the simple reason that I may go to rob a gas station or a bank carrying whatever weapon I want if I am allowed to dress like that.
So I don’t really care what terror regimes do in some places of the world. But in the civilized world, I believe in the need for a serious public debate on the issue (taking an issue and making it taboo or turning it into something no one wants to talk about is another of their favorite strategies). + Yes, I think there can be rules against the hijab in some situations.
This last element is based on the fact that there is nothing really “spiritual” left in that issue anymore. 50 years ago, maybe. Today: I don’t think so (Not with ISIL taking some women and forcing them to have sex with teenagers so that they can get pregnant and bring new ISIL fighters to this world). I think that anyone with real spiritual intentions is able to see and accept this simple reality.
To make my point even more clear: There used to be a time in which women used these accessories to emphasize modesty and simplicity. But now. I mean “10 years in Jail for not wearing the Hijab”
Let me finish with a tale from our Famous Nasreddin Hodja. He is a funny figure in Turkish Folklore like SHangaram Pilai in India or the Baron of Münschausen in Austria going back to the time of the Mongol Invasion of Anatolia (around 1400 AD):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gender-aparth...51080.html
As a person who grew up within a Muslim culture I made it into my duty to remind people that there is nothing more unspiritual than taking some spiritual practices and beliefs and turning them into a tool for creating mass approval of a political regime.
The reason for that is that there is nothing more personal than faith. And every true spiritual practitioner of any religion will describe religion as a relationship between the divine and the individual himself / herself. But I must have already said that at least 200 times so I’ll share some holyday pictures with you instead:
![[Image: sjRnOZzp4Gh.jpg]](https://r.resimlink.com/sjRnOZzp4Gh.jpg)
What looks like a black rag under the arrow is actually a man with a usual sea-short (behind) and this:
![[Image: burkini.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&quality...45%2Csmart]](https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/11/08/burkini.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&quality=50&crop=968%3A645%2Csmart)
Sorry for being so graphic. But it’s like 11.30 in the morning. And these guys were like sunbathing in the “Muslim” way.
One short observation: It usually depends on how strong the hijab wearing woman is. But I have not seen any of them lasting more than an hour or two (for obvious reasons).
So the point where I want to bring this topic is this:
There is no one-size fits all solution to this problem. In fact different nations within the EU have different laws on this:
France has banned the burkini + headscarves in schools and in public service. This and Christian crosses are banned in schools and public service too. That’s because of the principle of Laicité (the strict separation of religion and politics).
So I’m not even talking about traumatizing and completely barbaric cultural elements. You cannot go to school with a cross in France and Belgium. It’s forbidden.
Germany has a different approach. They even promote the Burkini in public swimming pools (because otherwise these women may want to go to the swimming pool wearing their usual clothes).
Also being completely covered up in black cloth including the face is forbidden almost everywhere, for the simple reason that I may go to rob a gas station or a bank carrying whatever weapon I want if I am allowed to dress like that.
So I don’t really care what terror regimes do in some places of the world. But in the civilized world, I believe in the need for a serious public debate on the issue (taking an issue and making it taboo or turning it into something no one wants to talk about is another of their favorite strategies). + Yes, I think there can be rules against the hijab in some situations.
This last element is based on the fact that there is nothing really “spiritual” left in that issue anymore. 50 years ago, maybe. Today: I don’t think so (Not with ISIL taking some women and forcing them to have sex with teenagers so that they can get pregnant and bring new ISIL fighters to this world). I think that anyone with real spiritual intentions is able to see and accept this simple reality.
To make my point even more clear: There used to be a time in which women used these accessories to emphasize modesty and simplicity. But now. I mean “10 years in Jail for not wearing the Hijab”
Let me finish with a tale from our Famous Nasreddin Hodja. He is a funny figure in Turkish Folklore like SHangaram Pilai in India or the Baron of Münschausen in Austria going back to the time of the Mongol Invasion of Anatolia (around 1400 AD):
Quote: In the time of Timur (Timur Leng / Mongol King 1336-1403 AD), the ruler Timur was very strict and anyone who commited a crime was punished by being beaten with a stick.
One day the Hodja was with him. Temur was shouting.
“Beat this man 700 times!“, “This one 1000 times!”, “This one 1200 times!”, “This one 1500 times!”
Then the Hodja spoke: “Dear King Timur, do you know everything?”,
“Of course”, shouted Timur angrily.
“No”, said the Hodja. “I think you might be very ignorant in one of these two things:
1) The meaning of the number 1500
2) The taste of the stick.”

![[Image: 7151bc275de2d3d422106a4008215efe.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/51/bc/7151bc275de2d3d422106a4008215efe.jpg)