(September 6, 2023 at 8:50 am)paulpablo Wrote:(September 5, 2023 at 11:25 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Interesting. My experience of the UK is different.
I've never encountered anyone thinking of a real man in terms of family provision - that would seem almost the opposite!
I suspect generation, class, and region play a big factor here. The UK is a very diverse place!
And, of course, the media has a loud voice on these matters, so much was likely imbibed from movies and TV.
You must have heard of Jeremy Kyle and talk show hosts like that in the UK talking about being a real man and looking after your children and family.
In the uk I've only ever heard of the specific phrase "Real man" being used in the context of being a family man.
There's other similar phrases they usually provoke ideas like what youre talking about. Like in the uk someone might say someone is a typical bloke or a typical lad. That's someone who doesn't give too much of a fuck about their kids, loves football, beer, has a punch up every once and a while and so on.
That makes sense. But still I found the messaging to be as I described it. To be a man was/is to be a masculine, tough, warrior I to sports and beer and sex. To fall outside of that was to be 'not a real man'.
Maybe we should add, 'be a great father' to the list of qualities of the 'real man'.