The Issue of Idolatry in Abrahamic Religions

[Leonardo17]

As a famous us politician once said, roughly, I guess that you just aren't as angry about it as those true believers are. As I consistently suggest, islamists aren't doing it wrong, you are, to your great credit - even if you're dealing with some latent cultural islamism in your own attempt to shove it's square peg down your round hole.  You appear, from the outside, to be deluding yourself a great deal on this count.  There was never a time that islam was anything else my dude.  Atheism isn't the best option to this problem, it's not even an option, and never could be.  Atheism has nothing to say on ethics, and yours is an ethical objection.  The islamic golden age (and every golden age of every great nation as we tell it) is defined as it's military apex, peak conquest.  That's what it meant to be "civilized" and that's what perpetually sends you down unproductive avenues.  The best way to tell how civilized people were was how efficiently they slaughtered and exploited the savages.  Undeniably proof, not simply in theory but in actual practice, we've long believed, of the superiority of our tribes, and our tribes gods.  Frankly, it's only when we begin to fail to successfully shit on the other guy when we start to worry that our ideology is in decline or our patron gods have abandoned us.

That's a good quote, though, every war is a defeat.  OTOH, I somehow doubt that praying about it will help, if it was going to, it already would have.  If the king of the catholics wants to do something about it he has much better tools at his disposal than prayer...and he knows that, just as much as I do.

I'm right there with you in the cult of the peace plant, lol..but, buddy, you probably ought to be careful who you tell that too, especially in the company of believing abrahamists.  They have never responded well to that, it's not something they one day started flipping out about.  The faith has always felt a certain violent way..toward idolatry, and you're still close enough to that belief to come up with absurd explanations for it.  Food for thought.  I went out and performed some idolatry with a patch of berries today, and not a single jew was harmed.

The World is not a paradise. Of course in ancient times everything was essentially based on you military power.
 
   Still, when he took Constantinople in 1453, Mehmed II went to the Church of Holy Wisdom (Where local Christian’s had gathered hoping for a divine miracle) and told them “All of you have become my subjects now. You may return to your homes without any fear”
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...man_Empire
 

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It is a common misconception that there is no Honor in war (And this one is from the Novel “The Kite Runner” by Khaled Hosseini in the part in which there is a dialogue between the father of the main character and a Russian Soldier in the Afghan-Pakistani border). Don’t misunderstand me. War cannot be anything but ugly. Still there used to be and has to be some rules of engagement.
 
One issue is that war is fought between able bodied men. And other than that, an attitude of pure vengeance is not / cannot be the solution to anything.
 
And these are not religious principles. It’s basic morality + basic logic.
 
So I do believe that the state is doing many things wrong. I know there are Jews around the world that will agree with me. I am also critical of the international community and politicians in general. That’s because we once had a mess in Cyprus and we solved it. We had a mess at the collapse of Yugoslavia and we solved it. There was a mess in Afghanistan, At least we saw that a solution was not entirely impossible. So I am also furious about a situation there that goes on and on (not that I am suggest any involvement by any single party into what is already an enormous mess. I believe in some form of diplomatic solution that is backed by the UN and the international community).
 
So I also have this anger toward Israel’s policies. Yet… I mean did you see the pictures at the music festival? I mean WTF is going on?
 
So anyways. Back to my topic. God says “Vengeance is mine” Meaning (as I understand it) we don’t create alternatives to God nor do we act in pure vengeance in the name of those idols. “Vengeance is mine” means, God does that. Not us.
 
As I said: twisted ideologies or approaches toward religious ideas want us to forget some of these “basics”. But these are as I said, the “main tools”. So on the contrary, If all you care about is brutal vengeance, than what is the point of studying any spiritual approach or dogma at all? If Steven Paddock could do it so so can you. You don’t even need an ideology for that, so Just do it I mean…
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting)
 

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