(October 10, 2023 at 9:35 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:(October 10, 2023 at 9:29 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: That is interesting.Typically believers invoke free will to solve problems in theodicy...the problem of evil. When God is put forward as all powerful and all knowing and all good, people ask why the Holocaust happened. Believers tell us it's because God wanted Hitler to have free will.
You know, I think this kind of goes with the fundamental laws of the universe and everything operating independently from a supreme being like god, if kind of. When I was reminded of free will not being a thing when I first came to this forum, I accepted that, because it made so much sense, and I thought it being an illusion as some sites I saw from long ago was potentially valid, as people seem to cling on to things like that of free will as a mental need.
Yeah. Still, those believers tend to contradict themselves, saying things like you can have free will, but if you don't believe in God, you are going to hell, which is BS. Plus, those believers do not seem to understand that things are not that simple in life, which means saying god wanted the likes of Hitler to have free will is not a good enough explanation, as there are other factors; possibly much more, in fact; as to why Hitler did bad things, let alone why evil exists. Saying God wanted Hitler to have free will is not a valid reason for the Holocaust, too. I am sure it is pretty far from the actual truth.
Besides, what those believers may not realize is that not only is God not the source of all good and that the Devil is not the source of all bad, but as far as good and bad go, you can't have one without the other. I tried explaining something like that on another thread I made, but many, or all things can't exist without positives alone. There is a need of balance after all, just like how friction is needed to slow and stop something from moving, for otherwise; we would continue moving forever. You probably get what I mean. The same applies to human life and society, too, as you can't get stronger without overcoming the negative things in life.
I just don't think believers realize that negative things can be necessary, even if we don't like them; let alone things aren't as simple as saying God is the reason for anything happening.