A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[ShinyCrystals]

Sorry.

I meant real as in other than a concept and something that is there physically and not an illusion. Something that exists beyond the state of being of being a mere thought and having some physical existence, like how the brain works in terms of free will.

Does that make sense?

It does, but I still think it's wrong. Airplanes are real things that you will not find in nature, as are autos, satellites, and so on. They're all quite unnatural, and all quite real.

My objection is not about free will per se. It's about the assertion that what is man-made is not real.

We weren't talking talking about airplanes and beehives. Still, I must have misspoken. That said, I probably should not have used the word man-made. I did not, however, say all man-made things are not real.

Still, what can exist as a concept, does not necessarily translate into something physical, or even something existent, for that matter. There are people like most of us here who believe free will does not really exist. I was saying that free will exists as a concept only, not something that exists as part of the human brain and biology, let alone the human mind.