(November 30, 2023 at 6:21 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:(November 28, 2023 at 6:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you do good (or refrain from doing evil) solely on the hope of eternal reward or the fear of eternal punishment, you aren’t a good person - you’re the victim of a protection racket.
Boru
If you think there is something outside this universe that is worthy of your greatest gifts - then you strive for ideals.
God - i worth my best effort (even though my best effort sucks)
and - some might find this weird - but, we are partly in agreement - fear is not a great motivation. Of course - your growth has to start somewhere, so you'd hope someone would outgrow fear motives and look to their dreams and values for motivation.
If you think there is nothing outside this universe that is worthy of your greatest gift, you STILL strive for ideals. Why is God necessary for that?
Why is God, the author of all misery, evil, and calamity, worthy of your best effort?
Fear is actually a fantastic motivator. The trouble with your particular brand of godism is that the fear motivation is all out of proportion.
What ‘dreams and values’ motivate you, personally? You said earlier that, without God, you wouldn’t care about anything. Your motivation appears to be going to Eternal Happy Funland. Seems kind of a selfish way to live your life.
Boru
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