(November 30, 2023 at 8:14 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:(November 30, 2023 at 8:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oookay, and which of the at least five basic ideas about importance (or moral importance) so far discussed in thread, all open to believers and non believers alike.. are in the childish set, so we can discard them?
The one that says that we should x because love? The one that says we should x because someone said so? The one that says we should x because lots of people say so, the one that says we should x because of facts about x - or the one that says the whole thing is an error of some kind or another?
(personally, I'd discard the first three, not because there's nothing there, just because it's never what I'm trying to talk about when I use the terms).
Let’s assume when we say god - we mean a perfect being.
It’s not a great argument to redraw god as a devil type being and attack that.
I’ll assume - if you’re describing something that sounds more like a devil, you’re really talking about a devil and calling it god
Is that perfect being necessarily the creator of the universe? Creating a universe where life is doomed to death and suffering sounds more like the work of a devil. Or maybe the accidental product of something imperfect.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.