(December 2, 2023 at 2:49 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: Confused-by-christianity is doing a good job here, but the Euthyphro dilemma is hard. I would like to support him by adding to the discussion.Thanks @SimpleCaveman . That is welcome since i think you seem to know your stuff
(December 2, 2023 at 2:49 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: The Grand Nudger’s question is trying to get at why something is good? Let’s be honest and say that while Plato may have honestly asked the question, I’d be very surprised if the Grand Nudger is doing it for any other reason than as a trap. But no worries, it’s a good question. Interesting to think about.Yes - it was a trap question.
I saw the dilema and thought - why not, as a brainteaser :-)
It was a good to work out the question, but i couldn't seem to get the question to make sense without fundamentally changing god. I had to reimagine god as something else to make the question fit - but then we aren't talking about god any more ??!?!?! i got into that circle.
I decided not to look up any past thinkers because i wanted to answer it myself and see how far i got. (without help from previous intellectuals)
Lets hear your take on it :-)
(December 2, 2023 at 2:49 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: I do not have any problem affirming that God commands an action because it’s good. The fallacy here is in the way of thinking what good is.Thank you - something for me to think about :-)
Because what is good and bad for human beings is determined by the ends set for us by nature. Any behavior that facilitates the achievement of our natural ends is considered good. If it frustrates those ends, then it is considered bad. For example, the way we were created/evolved says that drinking water is a good because it preserves our life. Procreation and rearing kittens are good for cats because they preserve the species.
And so, yes! God commands all actions that facilitate the achievement of our natural ends. Those actions he is commanding are good. He prohibits actions that frustrate those ends, “bad things, man.”
In summary, for premise 3, since human nature determines what is good and bad for us, and since God is the author of our nature, affirming that God commands something because it is good does not imply a standard of goodness independent of God.