(March 3, 2024 at 3:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Leonardo17
Quote:My argument is that authoritarian / populist elements in any geography and in any form, like to intimidate people with their weapon.
But the converse is not necessarily true. Because authoritarians intimidate people via displays of weaponry doesn’t mean that anyone who does so is an authoritarian.
Boru
(March 8, 2024 at 7:50 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(March 8, 2024 at 4:04 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: No one is obligated to not be dumb, or short sighted, or to not be blind to the long term consequence of imbuing other people with a resolve to to get even for one’s own heedless exercise of short term leverage.
If i sell you a knife, is asking you to not use it against my family fair? Or maybe if I license you the right to build my design, in that contract I may insert stipulations regarding how it's used?
The problem of selling the F-35 to a country possessing a potential adversary's SAM system (which adversary also has advisors on the ground reporting back) should be clear.
Maybe you might explain how that approach is "dumb"? And why do you think that American concern is "heedless"?
This is a very old issue. If my memory is correct, these S-400’s are not compatible with a country like ours (that is using almost 100% NATO compatible military equipment) and because it’s all computerized, the usage of these systems could potentially allow Russians to hack in NATO computer systems. And this is why these weapons are sitting in some military warehouse, because we are simply not allowed to use them. In fact, Greece decided to give it’s S-400’s to Ukraine.
Also, I don’t know (because I’m not that interested in these issues) why the ruling government did not ask for Patriot and/or Himars systems instead. The Ukraine conflict is confirming my suspicions that Patriot system are far more effective against all types of missiles and also against drones etc…
I also have to relativize my own arguments at some point. Our president has met Vlodimyr Zelensky yesterday and he is going to supply some much needed weapons (including artillery shells) to Ukraine. So he is not the devil incarnated either:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/zelen...27167.html
What I am trying to say is that populism and especially populism based on religion is a dangerous thing and despite all of the positive achievements of this 23 years old government, it can put on a path in which nobody wants us to be. And that’s why I understand the reserves of European and north-American countries. President Erdogan is scaring them. Therefore, they decide to give Leo II thanks to Mitokratis (which he deployed on demilitarized Aegean Islands- Which is illegal) + F-35’s (Because President Erdogan has used strong language on almost everybody abroad).
So me being me, I am simply concluding that that type of populism is not helping us (nor our allies)

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