(May 7, 2024 at 11:41 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(May 7, 2024 at 10:55 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Michael Moore has nice documentaries on these issues. I think there are some people over there who are making huge amounts of money from all of these wars.
Of course the defense industry makes enormous sums of money when we're at war, Capt Obvious. That isn't evidence they caused it, any more than a spike in bottled-water sales after a hurricane means that the storm was caused by Aquafina.
Your claim that our arms industry caused the invasion of Afghanistan is factually incorrect. All this other crap is simply red-herring material so that you can avoid writing, "Sorry, I misspoke."
No, everything I said on this issue was intentional.
I’m going to quote President Eisenhower’s televised farewell address from January 1961. Here is what he says:
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.
Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][1][/color]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower...ll_address
So although I have no direct evidence to support it, I believe this military industrial complex had some influence in the decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, technically it was a mistake made by G.W. Bush. But who is it that made him make those mistakes?
I became even more convinced of that with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2020 and all the senseless event that happened after that. Did 3700 soldiers die + 20,000 become injured in Afghanistan to take Afghanistan from the Taliban in 2001 and then give it back to them in a silver plate in 2020?
It’s only my opinion of course: I say it is the Military Industrial complex. It’s 2,5 trillion Dollars (10 time the annual military budget of China).
I was critical of “second class Media outlets” in the thread on the war in Ukraine. By “Second class” I don’t mean “small” or “local” Media outlets.
Here is a very nice account on the situation at the DePaul University in Chicago:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/depaul-studen...52327.html
On the other hand you may check “The Telegraph” website for all sorts of unfounded accusations of pro-Palestine protesters in the US and in other countries.
(Just a small note on the issue)