RE: Stupid things religious people say
May 26, 2024 at 6:09 pm
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2024 at 6:17 pm by arewethereyet.)
SUMMARY
Just like Matt Dillahunty, I have had many conversations with theists over the years.
Sometimes, there comes a point where you ask something or maybe you give a reasonable answer to the theist and the theist feels trapped.
Here is a nice example of this:
Trying To Argue A God Into Existence | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxgm9IiyDo
By The Atheist Experience
Length = 24:39
THE “you are intelligent, therefore there is a human like intelligence that makes everything” ARGUMENT.
AKA ANTHROPOMORPHING THE UNIVERSE/REALITY TECHNIQUE
^^^^^@3:55 The christian says: Are you guys both right now, intelligently and intentionally directing your thoughts right now with me, on this show?
Matt Dillahunty says: As far as I can tell. (Matt is saying yes)
The christian says: So, that possibility is overwhelming toward for someone to say “No, they know that they don’t believe that it’s out there beyond Blue Marble, millions of billions of are out”
(I think the christian is saying that Matt is certain that there is no possibility of intelligence being found elsewhere in the universe.
I am only writing down exactly what the christian is saying.)
Matt Dillahunty says: Shaun, the fact that I can direct my intelligence toward a goal doesn't mean that there’s some intelligence beyond the universe that is directed towards a goal.
THE BATTERY ARGUMENT
@5:18 The christian says: You guys rely on higher sources in your life, you acknowledge that, correct?
Matt Dillahunty says: What higher sources are you talking about?
The christian says: Well higher source, just to break it down, and then use the main source right now, the Sun. Without the Sun, you would not exist.
(I am only writing down exactly what the christian is saying.)
Jen says: That’s not a higher source, that is a celestial body. It’s a star.
The christian says: Would you agree that the Sun is not dependent upon you for its existence.
Jen says: That’s correct.
The christian says: But you are totally dependent upon the Sun for your existence.
Jen says: Yes as is everything on this planet.
The christian says: It may not be an intelligent higher power but it’s still a higher power.
Jen says: I acknowledge that the Sun exists and we are dependent upon it.
.........too long. Here is a summary:
Anyway, his argument comes down to saying that the Sun is an energy source, a battery.
My Comment: For a remote control, the alkaline batteries are the higher power.
Gasoline or petrol is the higher power for the internal combustion engine.
Grass is the higher power for cows.
The christian is telling us that there is a battery and his name is god.
TWO PEOPLE HAVING A DISCUSSION BUT THE THEIST DOESN’T LISTEN. THE CONVERSATION BREAKS DOWN.
@14:10 The christian says: Ask another question right now, ask away.
Matt Dillahunty says: Please present evidence that would confirm the existence of a god.
The christian says: You mean tangible evidence, right. Physical, corporeal, palpable
Matt Dillahunty says: I’ll take whatever you can offer because so far...because everything you’ve pointed our so far, I’ve demonstrated it is not evidence for a god.
The christian says: Right now, can I point out how dishonest that question is? You want tangible, palpable evidence right now from me to you when I can’t give it to you over this video screen.
Matt Dillahunty says: Actually, you’re the one...Hey Shaun, you’re the one who said tangible, palpable evidence. I believe I said I’ll take whatever you’ve got.
The christian says: You agree with it. You already agree with it and I thank you for that. My case is proven. You can’t say you know for a fact there is none. I can say that there is a possibility.
THE ICING ON THE CAKE. THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAE.
@15:25 Matt Dillahunty says: If I were to demonstrate an intentional act, from that, could you conclude that there was some other intentional act in another set of circumstances?
The christian says: In another set of circumstances?
Matt Dillahunty says: Correct. Are you watching? I am holding up a pair of sunglasses and I throw them. We can agree this was an intentional act. That does tell you in any way that the rock that fell down earlier was the result of an intentional act?
The christian says: I and you know that is awesome. Only if you, personally tell me why you did that, then I would know. Hench, most of our relationships with christ....
Matt interrupts the christian
Matt Dillahunty says: You have seen me directly take an action. Both of us would agree that it was an intelligent directed act, right?
The christian says: Well you know, there are magicians type deals, you could do but I see that happen right now, correct, I just seen you do that with glasses.
Matt Dillahunty says: Okay, so are we an agreement that me throwing those glasses was an intelligent act?
The christian says: I wouldn’t say that it was an intelligent act
Well, that keeps going on an on. The christian is having trouble answering the question. He understood the question but doesn’t want to go forward with it by giving a simple YES/NO answer.
@18:43 Matt hangs up on the christian since the conversation is not going forward, the christian doesn’t give a simple answer.
Jen: There is a reason why he didn’t want to answer that question
Matt basically says: I have had many discussions with theists for the past 12 y. You can view any questions I ask as a trap because it is designed to expose fallacies in your argument.
If your goal is to preserve your fallacious argument at all cost, you will try to avoid those traps.
But, if you are after reason, logic, the truth, those questions aren’t traps. They are big lighthouses that are designed to lead you away from the rocks and they will take you to reality.
Just like Matt Dillahunty, I have had many conversations with theists over the years.
Sometimes, there comes a point where you ask something or maybe you give a reasonable answer to the theist and the theist feels trapped.
Here is a nice example of this:
Trying To Argue A God Into Existence | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxgm9IiyDo
By The Atheist Experience
Length = 24:39
THE “you are intelligent, therefore there is a human like intelligence that makes everything” ARGUMENT.
AKA ANTHROPOMORPHING THE UNIVERSE/REALITY TECHNIQUE
^^^^^@3:55 The christian says: Are you guys both right now, intelligently and intentionally directing your thoughts right now with me, on this show?
Matt Dillahunty says: As far as I can tell. (Matt is saying yes)
The christian says: So, that possibility is overwhelming toward for someone to say “No, they know that they don’t believe that it’s out there beyond Blue Marble, millions of billions of are out”
(I think the christian is saying that Matt is certain that there is no possibility of intelligence being found elsewhere in the universe.
I am only writing down exactly what the christian is saying.)
Matt Dillahunty says: Shaun, the fact that I can direct my intelligence toward a goal doesn't mean that there’s some intelligence beyond the universe that is directed towards a goal.
THE BATTERY ARGUMENT
@5:18 The christian says: You guys rely on higher sources in your life, you acknowledge that, correct?
Matt Dillahunty says: What higher sources are you talking about?
The christian says: Well higher source, just to break it down, and then use the main source right now, the Sun. Without the Sun, you would not exist.
(I am only writing down exactly what the christian is saying.)
Jen says: That’s not a higher source, that is a celestial body. It’s a star.
The christian says: Would you agree that the Sun is not dependent upon you for its existence.
Jen says: That’s correct.
The christian says: But you are totally dependent upon the Sun for your existence.
Jen says: Yes as is everything on this planet.
The christian says: It may not be an intelligent higher power but it’s still a higher power.
Jen says: I acknowledge that the Sun exists and we are dependent upon it.
.........too long. Here is a summary:
Anyway, his argument comes down to saying that the Sun is an energy source, a battery.
My Comment: For a remote control, the alkaline batteries are the higher power.
Gasoline or petrol is the higher power for the internal combustion engine.
Grass is the higher power for cows.
The christian is telling us that there is a battery and his name is god.
TWO PEOPLE HAVING A DISCUSSION BUT THE THEIST DOESN’T LISTEN. THE CONVERSATION BREAKS DOWN.
@14:10 The christian says: Ask another question right now, ask away.
Matt Dillahunty says: Please present evidence that would confirm the existence of a god.
The christian says: You mean tangible evidence, right. Physical, corporeal, palpable
Matt Dillahunty says: I’ll take whatever you can offer because so far...because everything you’ve pointed our so far, I’ve demonstrated it is not evidence for a god.
The christian says: Right now, can I point out how dishonest that question is? You want tangible, palpable evidence right now from me to you when I can’t give it to you over this video screen.
Matt Dillahunty says: Actually, you’re the one...Hey Shaun, you’re the one who said tangible, palpable evidence. I believe I said I’ll take whatever you’ve got.
The christian says: You agree with it. You already agree with it and I thank you for that. My case is proven. You can’t say you know for a fact there is none. I can say that there is a possibility.
THE ICING ON THE CAKE. THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAE.
@15:25 Matt Dillahunty says: If I were to demonstrate an intentional act, from that, could you conclude that there was some other intentional act in another set of circumstances?
The christian says: In another set of circumstances?
Matt Dillahunty says: Correct. Are you watching? I am holding up a pair of sunglasses and I throw them. We can agree this was an intentional act. That does tell you in any way that the rock that fell down earlier was the result of an intentional act?
The christian says: I and you know that is awesome. Only if you, personally tell me why you did that, then I would know. Hench, most of our relationships with christ....
Matt interrupts the christian
Matt Dillahunty says: You have seen me directly take an action. Both of us would agree that it was an intelligent directed act, right?
The christian says: Well you know, there are magicians type deals, you could do but I see that happen right now, correct, I just seen you do that with glasses.
Matt Dillahunty says: Okay, so are we an agreement that me throwing those glasses was an intelligent act?
The christian says: I wouldn’t say that it was an intelligent act
Well, that keeps going on an on. The christian is having trouble answering the question. He understood the question but doesn’t want to go forward with it by giving a simple YES/NO answer.
@18:43 Matt hangs up on the christian since the conversation is not going forward, the christian doesn’t give a simple answer.
Jen: There is a reason why he didn’t want to answer that question
Matt basically says: I have had many discussions with theists for the past 12 y. You can view any questions I ask as a trap because it is designed to expose fallacies in your argument.
If your goal is to preserve your fallacious argument at all cost, you will try to avoid those traps.
But, if you are after reason, logic, the truth, those questions aren’t traps. They are big lighthouses that are designed to lead you away from the rocks and they will take you to reality.
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