RE: Finally an atheist proper, with views and questions
June 3, 2024 at 4:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 3, 2024 at 4:31 am by Lucian.)
(June 3, 2024 at 4:20 am)Belacqua Wrote:(June 3, 2024 at 3:37 am)Lucian Wrote: I think a positive case can be made for atheism, such as “what would we expect to see in a universe that is governed by purely naturalistic reasons” and seeing if that is the case. Then I agree with Oppy though, there is no knock down argument that will convince everyone. And definitely nothing can be proved to mathematic certainty
Usually they say it's hard to prove a negative, so the claim "there is no god" may be difficult to finalize. And if people want to define atheism as a lack of belief, that seems reasonable to me.
As you've clearly found, though, a thoughtful adult person who is an atheist will have to deal with philosophical arguments. You have heard any number of claims by Christians, you have considered them, and you have found sufficient reason to judge them unpersuasive. No doubt you can articulate these reasons.
So to me, an atheist who is also a thoughtful adult person aware of the society he lives in will have philosophical positions that he can defend.
On the difficulty of proving a negative, there definitely are instances you can do that, eg there is no elephant in my room at the moment. That said, I don’t think I can prove there are no gods, for instance even if I look at the world and say this is what I would expect if there are none, it could still be a deistic universe. I doubt I could show that is false but for certain claimed gods with specific properties I think it is possible to show as unlikely / contradicted by observations
I am still in baby phase of being an atheist in the manner that I currently am, so lots more to learn and I have lots of views I may eventually soften or reject