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New Apologetics Book, 25 Reasons to be Christian.
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RE: New Apologetics Book, 25 Reasons to be Christian.
(July 12, 2024 at 5:50 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(July 10, 2024 at 2:51 pm)brewer Wrote: There is concrete evidence for that theory. Your argument is a false equivalence fallacy.

Your reasons are only a validation/justification for faith, an abstraction. And in case you don't understand 'truth' is subjective.
I agree it's a false equivalence fallacy, since an argument, even were it sound, need not have its conclusion supported by any objective evidence. FWIW I have yet to see an example of the KCA that was sound, since it makes unevidenced assumptions about the thing being argued for, which are begging the question fallacies. 

It uses just such an assumption about a deity creator, when it arbitrarily assumes this deity has always existed, in order to create a special pleading fallacy, to avoid the rule it created that "everything that begins to exist must have a cause". Firstly, we only know this is true for the things we currently understand, and secondly in every single instance those causes are only evidenced within the temporal condition of the physical universe, and lastly those causes are always natural. In every version of the KCA I see, this is used to create a false equivalence about the state before the big bang. 

Lastly the KCA is not an argument for a deity, it's a first cause argument, assuming the cause was a their deity of choice is pure assumption. One could substitute anything for the deity in the argument, and arbitrarily assign it the same attributes, and the argument loses nothing. Without any objective evidence to demonstrate a deity exists, or is even possible, the argument is not very compelling. 

Paradoxically, scientific theories like the big bang don't rely on subjective argument,  they must be supported by sufficient objective evidence, they must be objectively verifiable through experiment and testing, they must make real world predictions that match objective reality, and of course unlike unevidenced deities from archaic superstitions using inexplicable magic. they must be falsifiable,and have some explanatory powers. Since "God did it" is a claim, it explains nothing. 

Fine tuning is a claim, not an argument, one would need to demonstrate the universe is fine tuned, not simply assert it, the phrase is only used as a metaphor by scientists, and of course even were anyone able to demonstrate it were "fine tuned" this would not necessarily evidence any eity, again this is pure assumption. 

Similarly one would need to demonstrate that what one argues is necessary for existence, is in fact so, this would of course require sufficient objective evidence for a deity (in this case), and that a deity is even possible, then that it is the deity this person has chosen to hold a subjective belief exists outside of the human imagination. 

As another poster asserted, I don't believe you can simply argue something into existence, without demonstrating sufficient objective evidence that it exists, or that it is at least possible. 

Ipso facto, I remain disbelieving.

Hello Sheldon, welcome to the forum.

Can I interest you in creating an Introduction thread?
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RE: New Apologetics Book, 25 Reasons to be Christian. - by brewer - July 12, 2024 at 7:31 am

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