(July 10, 2024 at 3:28 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:(July 10, 2024 at 3:00 pm)SaintPeter Wrote: And, as for the evidence/reason, I gave it above. One would have to show one of the steps in the Kalam is false. Which is it: "(1) What begins to exist has a cause. (2) But, the Universe began to exist. (3) Thus, there exists a Cause of the Universe that existed outside time and space before the Universe came to being."
The Big Bang Theory provides scientific evidence in support of premise 2. So does the Borde Guth Villenkin theorem, for that theorem says any universe that any universe that has generally been expanding in the past cannot have been of infinite age but began to exist a finite time ago.
That's special pleading: someone had to create the universe because it exists but not god who also supposedly exist. And someone did create god - can you guess who?
Also, the universe didn't start existing at the big bang. Universe existed before the big bang but it was very small, so universe always existed.
It's not even properly formulating Kalam/Aquinas. In both of the formulations they start with a variation of "everything that exists must have a creation". It takes a lot of special pleading to end up with an eternal god through Kalam/Aquinas, when the proper result should be "it's gods all the way back/down".
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