RE: The Never-Ending and Quite Exasperating Debate We All Know of
July 23, 2024 at 10:11 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2024 at 10:23 am by Leonardo17.)
(June 2, 2024 at 5:23 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:(April 10, 2024 at 11:50 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: First things first: The Koran describes the Pharaoh (in the story of the Prophet Moses) as someone “who had a hand on the uterus of women”. So from an Islamic perspective, I see it as a negative sign when policy makers get involved in the human reproductive system in a controlling and imposing manner. (I’m talking about the US State of Arizona regressing to the 1864 law on Abortion of course).
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-top-c...27591.html
It isn’t the same thing.
I don’t know what the Koran says but the original text is in the tanakh.
it isn’t about women’s rights, it isn’t about abortions.
It is about racism/xenophobia, it is about genocide.
More importantly, it is about an evil people (the egyptians) abusing god’s people, which are the jews (according to the tanakh author)
The text starts at Exodus 1:5
Summary:
1. All the souls/people that came from Jacob were 70 souls/people.
2. Joseph and his brothers and the people of his generation died. I assume it is due to natural causes.
3. The jew population was going up by a lot.
4. There was a new king of Egypt. Let’s call him the nameless king.
5. The nameless king says to his people (the egyptians): Look, there are too many jews. This is a security risk. If we have another war with our enemy, the jews would join the enemy.
6. The nameless king decided to make the life of the jews difficult. They made them built 2 cities: Pithom and Raamses.
7. Since jews love hard work, this made them hornier and hornier and they had babies at a faster rate.
8. The egyptians made the life of the jews even worst. They made them make mortar and bricks.
9. The nameless king told the jew midwives that if a jew woman has a boy, kill it.
10. The jew midwives were afraid of the jewish god and so, they did not do any killing.
11. Somehow, the nameless king found out about this. He asked the jew midwives about it. The midwives said that egyptian women are crap and that jew women are happy, wonderful, full of joy.
12. The jew population kept going up. Apparently, the nameless king has not decided yet to kill the adult jews.
13. I think the nameless king killed the jew midwives.
14. The nameless king orders the police or the egyptian population to take the jew male babies and to throw them into the river.
15. At this point, the story of Moses starts: A levi man marries and levi woman and she has a male baby.
16. They don’t want baby Moses to be killed so, they build an ark of bulrushes, covered in slime and pitch.
17. They put baby Moses in the ark and near the river bank.
You may be right on this one.
Bu still: The mystical people that I know believe in some sort of symbolism that are hidden within the texts of the Quran.
For instance when Moses is confronting the magicians of the pharaoh, in the Quranic story he puts his right hand in his dress and when he takes it out again it is of pure white color.
Some scholars interpret this as the fact that Moses was not just a magician prevailing over other magicians. This episode has more to do with Truth (with a capital T) prevailing over the magic (the lies, brainwashing, mass hypnosis) of the Pharaoh.
So I’m not going to insist on this one, but if you go back to Hitler, he also believed than Aryan Women should be in one way and not another way. If you go back to Napoleon, he put laws in force that prevented kids from disobeying their fathers. And in the middle ages, other than the witch trials, the church wanted people to have sex in a given position and not in other positions (that’s how suspicious it was of all sorts of sexual energy).
So for me “Ramses had a hand on the Uterus of your women” means what you say (most probably). But I also read it as “Ramses was afraid of sexual energies / female energy and therefore he wanted to control it”. But this is one of the “deeper meanings” so I cannot impose it on anyone else

Ambrogda:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mens-heal...rcna153349
That’s something that needs to be discussed if you have a long time partner. But it’s still a personal issue so I won’t add any comments on that subject.
On Dress code:
Sadhguru once said that there were people who wanted to cover up women to the centimeter. He also said that there were people who wanted to uncover them to the centimeter. He than concludes “Let the woman decide”.
While I’m perfectly fine with that solution, I don’t think I need to “like” what other people (both men and women) are wearing.
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